Saturday, June 06, 2009

Ed Whelan Completes His Descent into Hackery

I've been debating all day whether or not to respond to this act of astounding immaturity and intellectual cowardice.  On the one hand, this "outing" hits pretty close to home.  In addition to being a long time reader and admirer of Publius' writing, it was my post (quoted by Publius) that seems to have gotten under Whelan's skin and caused him to lash out.  On the other hand, writing about this only draws more attention to it, which is the last thing I want to do.  In light of the fact that Publius has himself now written a post about this, though, I feel more comfortable addressing the subject here.

To quickly recap, I wrote a short post about Whelan a few weeks ago that described his basic M.O.:
This is Whelan's role in the conservative world, his niche. He's the guy Republicans look to when they need to discredit a Democratic legal or judicial nominee. He pores over their record, finds some trivial fact that, when distorted and taken totally out of context, makes that person look like some sort of extremist. Whelan knows this is what he's doing. It's willful. He's essentially a legal hitman, someone who provides the "expert" opinion that the right wing echo chamber then uses as the basis of its attack campaign.
Andrew Sullivan linked to the post at the time, which prompted Whelan to write a sputtering, angry retort. Clearly the guy is very thin-skinned. Meanwhile, in a much more thoughtful series of posts, Publius (who has been blogging at Obsidian Wings for years) has been systematically dismantling a number of Whelan's rather ridiculous attacks on various Obama nominees, Harold Koh in particular. Then, in a post yesterday, Publius highlighted a rather scathing critique of Whelan's latest attack on Sonia Sotomayor by conservative legal blogger Eugene Volokh. Publius ended the post by quoting from my post about Whelan (the passage where I called him a "legal hitman").

Whelan responded by publishing Publius' real identity on the National Review website and sending him an email saying "now who's the hitman, you coward and idiot."

Um, it's still you, Ed, but thanks for proving it.

It's really difficult to put into words just how despicable and childish this behavior is. This is a man who was a Deputy Assistant Attorney General. He's currently the President of the Ethics and Public Policy Center. And he's acting like a six-year-old.

In his post outing Publius, Whelan claims that he is doing the world a service by "exposing an irresponsible anonymous blogger." The entire tone of the post, however, is petty and childish. It's clear that Whelan's only motive is getting back at someone who was critical of him. Moreover, it is difficult to imagine someone who less fits the stereotype of a mud-slinging anonymous blogger than Publius, whose posts are invariably professorial in content and tone. Indeed, if you compare Publius' posts to those that Whelan churns out daily at the National Review, the contrast is rather stark.

Whelan is unquestionably a brilliant man. He graduated near the top of his class at Harvard Law School, was a Supreme Court clerk, and has had a successful career as an attorney. Which is why the jarringly hackish nature of his political writing is so striking. If you go to Bench Memos, the blog he writes at the National Review, and scan down through the posts, you'll see no hint whatsoever of the legal mind we all know that Whelan possesses. Instead, you'll see a series of dumbed-down partisan attacks written by someone who is functioning as a partisan advocate, not as a commentator. Take, for example, the post that drew the attention of Eugene Volokh. In that post, Whelan tries to take a joke Judge Sotomayor once told and turn it into some sort of indictment of her judicial philosophy. Not only is the post utterly clownish in its premise, but Whelan's entire critique is based on the notion that Supreme Court justices shouldn't be pondering the "policy implications" of their decisions, a suggestion that Volokh quickly dismantles. But here's the thing. Whelan was a Supreme Court clerk. He knows that this is a stupid point. He knows all of the justices on the Court, including the conservative ones, explicitly grapple with the policy implications of their decisions in virtually every case. But his goal here is not to provide actual insight into anything. His goal, as always, is to provide political fodder to Republicans. That's what he does.

Another good example is his very next post, where he focuses on a recent statement Sotomayor made (no context provided) where she said she doesn't "know what liberal means." He then attempts to play gotcha by pointing to a 1983 New York Times article which quotes then D.A. Sotomayor as saying "[n]o matter how liberal I am, I’m still outraged by crimes of violence. Regardless of whether I can sympathize with the causes that lead these individuals to do these crimes, the effects are outrageous.” Whelan goes on to explain the earth-shattering significance of two out-of-context statements made a quarter of a century apart that don't really contradict each other anyway. The post then descends into an attack on liberal judges generally. It reads like a Jeff Foxworthy routine ("you know you're a liberal judge if . . . ").

This kind of stuff is Hannity-esque on the political hackery scale. But Whelan knows this. He's too smart not to. And I think that's why he's so thin-skinned. Getting called out on your hackery is tough if you're someone who takes pride in your intelligence. It's embarrassing. So Whelan reacted by lashing out and "outing" one of his most thoughtful and persistent critics. It's school-yard bully kind of stuff. An act of extreme insecurity.  

The reality is that if you don't think your work product can withstand the scrutiny of a few anonymous bloggers, then you have no business publishing it. And if your ego can't withstand being criticized by people who write under pseudonyms, then you're far too insecure to be blogging for a living. 

But since I doubt Whelan is going anywhere anytime soon, I'm sure we can all look forward to reading about why every judge or lawyer Obama appoints during the next four (or eight) years is, for various reasons, unfit for the job.  
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47 Comments:

Blogger Enlightened Layperson said...

So apparently conservatives believe that the ideal Supreme Court Justice is a robot who is completely unaffected by his/her experiences in real life and and utterly ignores the real world in writing opinions. Do they believe such people actually exist? (Oh, yeah, the real world isn't supposed to matter to judging).

Seriously, I commented at Balkinization that sometimes I think what they claim to want instead of a Supreme Court is a judicial supercomputer that contains all US law (but definitely not the law of any other country). You can then enter in the facts, it will perform the necessary calculations and come out with the one automatic, indisputable correct answer.

1:13 AM  
Blogger Ken_L said...

I'm an Australian who has loved and admired the USA for 50 years. At the risk of sounding condescending or superior, I can only say I've been staggered to watch the descent of the conservative voice since 2000 through immaturity into childishness.

There is no fun any more in mocking these people. The fact that they apparently represent a significant section of the US population and continue to have influence on policy-makers is just a stunning national tragedy.

3:50 AM  
Blogger Gary said...

The National Review has descended to only having partisan childish hacks online, much like the formerly responsible Republican Party.

The irony is that he is the president of the religious conservative Ethics and Public Policy Center - perhaps illustrating the dangers to reason and judgment of years of mixing religion, politics and public policy.

4:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. Ed Whelan's behavior is deplorable. Bloggers have been outed before, but I can't recall a reason as slim as his.

2. The whole episode must be especially troubling to anonymous bloggers like, to seize an example almost at random, the Anon Lib.

3. Take some responsibility! Maybe what set him off was the dubious grammar in this sentence:

"He pores over their record, finds some trivial fact that, when distorted and taken totally out of context, makes that person look like some sort of extremist."

I am not enough of a language maven to be more specific, but that sentence is missing something - stripped of the clauses, it ought to read as

"He pores over their record, finds some trivial fact that then makes that person look like some sort of extremist."

Or maybe:

"He pores over their record and finds some trivial fact that makes that person look like some sort of extremist."

Obvi.

Tom Maguire

6:34 AM  
Blogger Quiddity said...

I think we should help Ed Whelan. I for one plan to send him frequent emails listing various "finds" about anonymous and real-name bloggers that he can use. You know, that so-and-so purchases Hustler magazine, doesn't wash his hands after visiting a public restroom, colors his or her hair, or is having marital trouble. That sort of thing.

Ed is sure to appreciate that information 'cause he can then use it to bolster his legal arguments. E.g.

The case in question is moot because of the Supreme Court ruling in Worcester v. Georgia and also because Anonymous Liberal doesn't change the oil on his car as frequently as the manual indicates.

Who can resist intellectual firepower like that?

9:25 AM  
Blogger John said...

I noticed that Whelan didn't say why he thought that he had the correct name of Publius -- only that he was "reliably informed". He's using an anonymous source to out an anonymous blogger.

9:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can someone please explain why "anonymity" on the internet should be encouraged?

I see it as nothing more than a "Klansman's hood" hiding an individual from taking responsibility for their own words.

But, I would guess that someone who calls him/herself Anonymous Liberal already knows this...

S. F. Fletcher
(sfletcher99 at earthlink dot net)

10:40 AM  
Blogger Quiddity said...

@SFF

outing = bad

I don't like outing anybody for any reason whatsoever. I disapprove the outing of gay Republicans who publicly denounce homosexuality or push for laws that diminish their rights, which puts me at odds with some liberal blogs (cf. AMERICAblog).

If privacy is to have any value whatsoever, it includes the option to hide from view certain activities: Going to the racetrack to bet on the ponies. Purchasing Hustler magazine. Attending a church of a marginal religion. Etc.

Outing is part of a Puritan mindset that insists that everything be done on the public stage. Everything. So that the crowd can weigh in on this-or-that personal quirk or unpopular viewpoint that the subject exhibits. It's actually a primitive (and juvenile) social phenomenon that we can do without.

11:01 AM  
Blogger A.L. said...

Can someone please explain why "anonymity" on the internet should be encouraged?

It's not. The people who blog under pseudonyms, like myself, do so because we have good reasons for doing so. The choice isn't between blogging under my name and blogging under a pseudonym; it's between blogging under a pseudonym and not blogging at all.

I'm not sure why people find this so problematic. It's not as if blogging anonymously offers some huge advantage. Quite the contrary. It is much harder to get noticed and have your writing taken seriously when you blog under a pseudonym. It has taken a long time to build up my readership and credibility within the blogoshere.

Moreover, it's not as if I ever claim to have inside information. This blog is just a collection of arguments and opinions. The only reason anyone would pay attention to anything I write is if they find it convincing. There's a long tradition in this country of pseudonymous writing dating back to the revolutionary period. It has served a valuable purpose.

11:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see no good reason to blog anonymously. If you don't have the courage to claim your convictions, then you're little more than a shrill voice in the wind.

11:19 AM  
Blogger C2H50H said...

I'm with Q, with the proviso that I don't support anonymity for those who hide hypocrisy through anonymity, like anonymous at 11:19AM.

An anonymous commenter can be judged on the content of their statements, and, if they adopt an identity, can build up -- or destroy -- their credibility.

What more does a person's official name give us that is useful on-line? After all, we know where A.L. is coming from. We know A. L. better than we know S. F. Fletcher, in fact. I "know" Publius a lot better than I know either Ed Whelan or Tom Maguire.

Ed Whelan's background is self-contradictory, as A.L. pointed out. Is he the smart, capable person his history might indicate, or the hyper-sensitive, insecure dolt that he appeared in this situation? How do we know?

What Ed Whelan does have is a safe job, protected by the right-wing welfare system. He can pretty much write any piece of crap he wants, so long as it's critical of the left. Does this improve his credibility in your eyes?

11:23 AM  
Blogger veteran novice said...

An act of courage here, A.L.
As for blogging anonymously, three of my favorite bloggers have been the Anonymous Liberal, Publius, and Digby, all of whom wrote anonymously, although two of the three our now out. It is what they say, not who they were that drew me to their blogs.
Regardless how this turns out for you after today's blog, I want to thank you for your generosity in taking the time to help inform and raise the level of our national conversation.

11:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can someone please explain why "anonymity" on the internet should be encouraged?

Let me add to what A.L. has said. For one thing, there's a difference between anonymity and pseudonymity: over time, a consistent pseudonym establishes a reliable identity. And the writer does have a strong investment in that identity's integrity, because within the online community, that pseud is the writer: his or her reputation, relationships, and credibility are attached to that name, rather than to any offline name.

But more than that, pseudonymity on the net allows for the strength of an argument or idea to stand independent of the writer's formal credentials, or of accidents of body or birth. It allows for true meritocracy in argument, without some voices being automatically ignored merely because they come from women, or men who went to the wrong school, or people who have the wrong shade of skin. This is a problem for folks even when they're talking to others who have no intention to take women or people of color or those who didn't go to Princeton less than seriously, since it's difficult to fully overcome social training that operates on an unconscious level.

In other words, it's a Good Thing that on the Internet, no one knows you're a dog. I still boggle that anyone would want to eliminate that rare and glorious quality.

11:25 AM  
Blogger A.L. said...

I see no good reason to blog anonymously. If you don't have the courage to claim your convictions, then you're little more than a shrill voice in the wind.

Look, if you don't like anonymous blogging, don't read it. Problem solved. It takes an extreme level of myopia, however, not to see why some people feel the need to blog anonymously. There are jobs, for instance, where it is just not feasible to be publicly politically opinionated. It's not about courage. It's about livelihood. You can argue that people who hold such jobs just shouldn't express political opinions at all. That's a fair position I guess, but at least understand that it has nothing to do with courage. I tend to think the world is better off if more people have the ability to express their opinions. But what do I know. I'm just an anonymous blogger.

11:25 AM  
Blogger Matt said...

I see no good reason to blog anonymously. If you don't have the courage to claim your convictions, then you're little more than a shrill voice in the wind.

This has got to be a joke because someone posting anonymously to complain about anonymous posters is just too obviously stupid to be real..

11:48 AM  
Blogger Prup (aka Jim Benton) said...

The irony in this is delightful. One additional one. If anyone would benefit from using a psuedonym it is Whalen. Were his columns coming -- apparently -- from a 'knowledgeable layman' they'd still be opposed, but with a certain amount of tolerance. But when someone has -- and parades -- the background of having been a SCOTUS clerk, a Deputy AG, etc. you expect a higher level of argument than the nonsense he so often spouts.

12:08 PM  
Blogger Prup (aka Jim Benton) said...

After this and the outing of AKMuckraker, I'm wodering when the first true disaster will happen, when a psuedonymous blogger loses a high-paying job or suffers actual physical retribution for his comments once he is outed. (I understand that AKM did have her business threatened when she was outed.) Would there be any legal redress if this should happen?

12:13 PM  
Anonymous Aaron Baker said...

You wrote: "Whelan is unquestionably a brilliant man.

Is this unquestionable? He got excellent grades at Harvard, then enjoyed the career of an intelligent rightwing political hack. Is any of this evidence of brilliance?

As a legal hit man, Whelan may well have found his natural level.

(I admit that my argument here is based entirely on anecdotal evidence. I studied law at Northwestern, where nearly all my professors had resumés comparable to Whelan's (though few were men or women of the far right). Very intelligent people, no doubt, but I found few if any of them to be brilliant. About eleven years of legal practice since have not appreciably raised my opinion of the government lawyers, federal judges, and law professors whose statements I've perused. Our profession is very hospitable to second- and third-raters, even in the highest ranks.)

12:32 PM  
Blogger John Burke said...

I'm not o Whelan's political wavelength and personal pique does seem to be his reason for outing "publius," but I must say I don't see why or how the latter -- or the author of A.L. -- can justify anonymity in public political discourse. That it's legal, unlike, say, broadcasting TV ads without attributing them to a candidate or other sponsor, isn't much if a reason. To contend that it's ethical, one has to explain why "mainstream" journalists and pundits don't publish (on paper of the web) without by-lines. After all, we're at a point in the devlopment of the Web where more people may be going online for political (and other) commentary, and as a result, individual bloggers are able to build very sizable audiences and wield some influence.

When I started my blog six months ago, I toyed with the idea of using a cybernym but decided that I needed to put my name to my opinions. What's more, I believed (and still believe) that cloaking myself in anonymity would encourage me to go beyond what I would say in other forms of civil conversation. The growing incivility in our politics -- or right and left -- is to some degree aggravated by Internet anonymity.

My advice the both "publius" and the authior of A.L. is this: if you wouldn't say something to your colleagues at work or your neighbors at home, it's probably not worth saying on the Net either.

1:02 PM  
Blogger veteran novice said...

Benjamin Franklin pseudonyms: Silence DoGood, Caelia Shortface, Martha Careful, Anthony Afterwit, Alice Addertongue, Richard Saunders, Polly Baker, and Benevolus.

1:23 PM  
Blogger A.L. said...

My advice the both "publius" and the authior of A.L. is this: if you wouldn't say something to your colleagues at work or your neighbors at home, it's probably not worth saying on the Net either.

That's great advice, but also totally irrelevant. I have no problem saying anything I write here to my friends/colleagues. The problem is that I work for a law firm that has lots of clients and therefore publishing under my own name is highly problematic. I'm not remotely embarrassed to be associated with my arguments. But I'd also like to keep my job.

You also seem to misunderstand the purpose of blogging. While many bloggers do so for a living, the ones who do so under pseudonyms (such as myself and Publius) do not. This is a hobby for us. We don't make any money from it. Therefore we are not in the same position as journalists. That analogy is inapt. Why shouldn't I be allowed to post my opinions on political issues in my spare time under a pseudonym? Who does that harm? No one has to read what I'm writing. And it my arguments don't have merit, then no one will pay any attention to them. Indeed the fact that I have no public "credentials" to rely on means that I can't just phone it in. I actually need to make my writing itself convince people.

If anything, Whelan is the opposite. He has strong public credentials and so he uses them to get away with writing weak arguments. If he were writing under a pseudonym, his stuff would be completely ignored.

1:53 PM  
Blogger Prup (aka Jim Benton) said...

Speaking of Whelan's being ignored, the one effect of his outrageous outing of Publius is that everybody is talking about it -- and not the far more important demolition of Whalen's position that Volokh achieved.

Hmmm? Wonder if that might be what he had in mind. (See the Coulter's tendency to make outrageous statements that grab the headlines away from other, more serious criticisms. Remember how she distracted people from the voter-fraud accusations?)

Anyway, fergawdsakes, click through to the Volokh piece.

2:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess we can argue whether someone should or should not blog anonymously (sic,) but the issue for me is who has the "right" to expose this persons' identity. THis "outing" was childish payback that whelan couln't give in a written argument. I didn't see him complaining about all the anonymous sources sited in various papers to bolster the case for war in Iraq.
CharlieChocks

3:35 PM  
Blogger mls said...

Ed Whelan is a man of “astounding immaturity and intellectual cowardice.” He is a “legal hitman” whose only goal is “to provide political fodder” for the “right wing echo chamber.” His “ridiculous attacks” are “despicable and childish.” His “dumbed-down partisan attacks” are “jarringly hackish” and show he is acting as a “partisan advocate, not as a commentator.” His “petty and childish” acts are “utterly clownish” and “stupid.” He is “acting like a six-year old” “school-yard bully.”

When, oh when, will Ed Whelan elevate the tone of his discourse?

4:17 PM  
Blogger C2H50H said...

MLS,

Speaking of echoes in the "right wing echo chamber", on the question as to when anybody at the NR will "elevate" the tone of the discourse, we note the cover of the NR and despair any such elevation.

4:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"There's a long tradition in this country of pseudonymous writing dating back to the revolutionary period. It has served a valuable purpose."

It's always hard to fathom why conservatives, with all their "Founding Fathers" nonsense about reading the Constitution, don't grasp the point AL is making here.

Federalist Papers, anyone?

The pseudonym of Publius harkens specifically back to them.

Somehow what was good for Hamilton, Madison and Jay, along with the Anti-Federalists "Cato" and "Brutus", isn't good when Dirty Fucking Hippy liberal/progressive bloggers do it.

AL's is spot on that using a pseudonym works *against* a blogger. We are always skeptical of their writings, and they have to earn our respect for their opinions and analysis.

Writers like Digby, AL and Publius have earned our respect by years of writing that we can judge. I doubt any reader of theirs agrees with them 100% of the time. But the scale has tipped highly in the favor.

John

4:47 PM  
Anonymous Aaron Baker said...

I'm been coming, with some reluctance, closer to Brian Leiter's view that talk of "civility" and "elevated discourse" is mostly a red herring to distract the multitude when someone has the temerity to, say, call torture torture, or war crimes war crimes. Ten minutes or so of Bill O'Reilly will, again, remind me that civility has its place; but let's be very clear: the right wing in this country stands pretty unambiguouly for: race-baiting (suitably coded), gay-baiting (not coded at all), a predatory foreign policy, a domestic policy favoring the most short-sighted interests of the very wealthy at the expense of everyone else--not to mention pandering to the most abjectly stupid variety of American religion. The apologists and enablers of this ideology should have the same freedom of speech as anyone else--but they don't deserve to be described with "elevated discourse"--far from it.

5:03 PM  
Blogger A.L. said...

MLS,

When I start outing people because they criticize me, maybe you'll actually have a point.

Even assuming that the content I provide here is as hackishly partisan as what Whelan produces (which I don't think is a fair characterization), I'm not taking it upon myself to "out" people who I believe are "irresponsible." That's kind of a key distinction here. Whelan believes he can just do whatever the hell he wants if someone dares to criticize him.

Moreover, most of the language you quote from me (me calling Whelan "childish" etc.) was specifically directed at his act of outing Publius, not his writing generally. I've never used this blog to do something that childish and despicable and if I ever do, I'll deserve to be called out on it.

More generally speaking, while I concede to being liberal and generally caring more about the success of the Democratic party for that reason, I really don't think that what I do here is equivalent to what Whelan does. His sole blogging purpose is to find material with which to bash Democratic legal/judicial nominees. As you know, MLS, I try to be fair and factual in my criticism and to direct it at Democrats when warranted. I don't take things out of context intentionally, and when someone credibly demonstrates that something I've written is unfair, I retract or correct immediately.

You're always quick to imply that I'm "just as bad" as anyone I criticize on the right. If you really believe that, I have no idea why you read this blog.

5:12 PM  
Blogger William Timberman said...

Behavior like Whelan's has unfortunately become commonplace, and not just on the Internet. There must be some sort of ethical Gresham's law at work. The more people there are who behave like petulant teenagers and aren't censured for it, the greater the temptation there will be for others to indulge in such behavior -- if, that is, they have no character.

Teenagers have the excuse of being in the grip of powerful developmental forces which often make self control seem like a kind of cruel joke adults have chosen to play on them.

Whelan has no such excuse. He just isn't civilized, not in the sense that he can forego a temporary personal advantage in the interest of a greater good. It's a pity. Mad dogs can be dealt with; sociopathic personalities must be endured. There's no harm, though, in calling them what they are.

6:25 PM  
Anonymous KM said...

To the morons who wonder how anyone could possibly have valid reasons for blogging pseudonymously: why not actually check publius's response?

As I told Ed (to no avail), I have blogged under a pseudonym largely for private and professional reasons. Professionally, I’ve heard that pre-tenure blogging (particularly on politics) can cause problems. And before that, I was a lawyer with real clients. I also believe that the classroom should be as nonpolitical as possible – and I don’t want conservative students to feel uncomfortable before they take a single class based on my posts. So I don’t tell them about this blog. Also, I write and research on telecom policy – and I consider blogging and academic research separate endeavors. This, frankly, is a hobby.

Privately, I don’t write under my own name for family reasons. I’m from a conservative Southern family – and there are certain family members who I’d prefer not to know about this blog (thanks Ed). Also, I have family members who are well known in my home state who have had political jobs with Republicans, and I don’t want my posts to jeopardize anything for them (thanks again).

8:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've said it before and I will say it again, being connected with the Supreme Court in any way will not make a difference. An intern for the court has the same chance of being a fucking asshole as all the other lawyers - 99.9 per cent.

Whelan is perfect proof. Right, Whelan?

8:57 PM  
Blogger Prup (aka Jim Benton) said...

Sorry for a mostly OT rant, but can people stop misusing "Gresham's Law." It doesn't say, as cynics like to use it, that 'people prefer the bad over the good.' It certainly doesn't say what Wm.T. thinks it does, whatever that is.

It says, simply, "Bad money drives good money out of circulation." Not because people prefer the bad, but because they don't. If you know there are counterfeit coins or bills around, and you have two bills, one of which you are sure of and one of which is a little 'hinky' (Hi, Abby!) you'll hold on to the good one -- taking it out of circulation -- and spent the doubtful one. So will everybody else, meaning that the money that is circulating is the (possibly) 'bad' money.

Hence Gresham's Law, and the idiotic way it is misused is one of my 'pet peeves.'

Rant ends, please go back to your regular arguing.

9:14 PM  
Blogger Jazzbumpa said...

Anon @ 11:19 You have either no sense of irony, or rather too much of it.

Publius had good reason for his pseudonymity. As do I. One hostile phone call to my home from a wingnut, as a follow up to a letter I wrote to the editor of a newspaper was all it took for me. Those people are crazy, and some of them have guns.

10:10 PM  
Blogger Tom said...

Prup, your fealty to Our Financial Agent is noted and We will think more nobly of thee in future.

Regally, Eliz. Regent (the First, you pathetic git, not her)

11:05 PM  
Blogger docweasel said...

This is really rich coming from the same liberal douches who "out" gay Republicans and try to destroy their lives. Fuck "publius". WTF is he so scared of that he has to hide his identity?

And the entire "Whelan is a conservative hack/hitman trope is a laugh as well. He's just a counterpart to the leftards' Cass Sunnstein and others who dig up dirt on any conservative nominee, distort their record, try to gin up outrage over perfectly reasonable decisions, etc. Just ask Sen. Sessions. Fuck you and your sanctimonious outrage, your fucking asshole.

11:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I see no good reason to blog anonymously. If you don't have the courage to claim your convictions, then you're little more than a shrill voice in the wind.

This has got to be a joke because someone posting anonymously to complain about anonymous posters is just too obviously stupid to be real.."

I don't care about anonymous posts; those are like talking to someone at a bar and giving them your opinion. That's really all my comments are - bar conversation. In fact, the vast moajority of these of these little electronic comment trails are of no more substantive value as those conversations, and as such I don't care who writes them.

What I don't care for are the anonymous bloggers - people whose self-opinion is so inflated that they think they must publish their thoughts to enlighten the world, but yet don't have the intestinal fortitude to stand behind them.

The ones that get me the worst are the ones who conflate themselves with the Founding Fathers. Whereas the writers of that time were likely to get hanged, these modern-day paranoid pundits are more worried about losing their jobs should their real opinions be known.

Which in turn begs the question: what are they telling their employers? Evidently not the truth, since the truth is supposedly what they write anonymously so as not to get fired. So while they lie to those who employ them, either implicitly or explicitly, they want us to believe they are the modern incarnation of Hamilton and Jay.

Uh, not.

11:33 PM  
Blogger A.L. said...

Which in turn begs the question: what are they telling their employers? Evidently not the truth, since the truth is supposedly what they write anonymously so as not to get fired. So while they lie to those who employ them, either implicitly or explicitly, they want us to believe they are the modern incarnation of Hamilton and Jay.

This is some impressive logic. If you thought about this for five seconds, you'd realize that this makes very little sense. I, for instance, express the very same political views to my colleagues, friends, family that I do on this blog. But I don't think it takes all that much of an imagination to see the complications that could arise if a firm attorney were to blog under his own name (no matter what his political views are). Do you know of any that do?

So the options for me are either to use a pseudonym or to not blog. I don't pretend that the loss of my voice would be some huge loss to the world. But the loss of all voices of people in my position might be.

11:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is some impressive logic. If you thought about this for five seconds, you'd realize that this makes very little sense. I, for instance, express the very same political views to my colleagues, friends, family that I do on this blog. But I don't think it takes all that much of an imagination to see the complications that could arise if a firm attorney were to blog under his own name (no matter what his political views are). Do you know of any that do?

Interestingly, I'd turn the exact same reasoning back to you and say your position doesn't hold for five seconds. Basically, it's your position that if an attorney's personal politics are made public, there would be "complications".

Since you claim your employer knows your politics, I can only assume you mean that your clients or potential clients would be distressed, or that your ability to represent your employer would somehow be compromised.

I'm not sure which I find more egregious: withholding information from clients, or saying that a judge or jury would be swayed by knowing your personal beliefs.

All I can say is that it must be tough being an attorney, having to hide so much from so many.

12:11 AM  
Blogger William Timberman said...

Prup, I'm sorry that you're upset, but I was using the term metaphorically, to mean that bad behavior drives out good behavior by forcing people who behave decently to withdraw from any normative role in public behavior. I know its literal meaning perfectly well.

Such metaphorical generalizations from things which once had a literal meaning are quite common in English, and quite correct, insofar as correctness has any meaning in this context. in fact this is how any language becomes richer over time, even when the metaphor actually is an imperfect extrapolation of the original literal meaning. As far as the evolution of language is concerned, it actually makes little difference whterh it is or isn't.

If I were to say to you, for example, that your understanding of what's permissible doesn't jibe with mine, would you insist that I'd misused a term which has a very specific meaning on a sailing vessel? Perhaps 400 years ago the metaphorical sense was less common, but it would have been no less correct the first time some one came up with it, so long as the person hearing it understood what was meant.

If you're determined not to understand the intent of the metaphor, that's of course your privilege, but you don't actually get to determine whether or not it becomes an accepted figure of speech. That's something for the entire anglophone community to decide.

12:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interestingly, I'd turn the exact same reasoning back to you and say your position doesn't hold for five seconds. Basically, it's your position that if an attorney's personal politics are made public, there would be "complications".

I have a difficult time believing you are truly this dense. My guess is you are intentionally portraying yourself as functionally retarded, in order to garner sympathy for the uphill battle you oddly continue to wage.

Is it really that difficult to understand that employers tend to not like it when their employees give potential customers reasons not to patronize the business? I know this will be difficult, but try to imagine a world in which there are those out there who wouldn't want to do business with an outspoken political opponent.

1:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whelan is unquestionably a brilliant man

Well, "unquestionably" is not the word. I suppose it depends on the definition of "brilliant," but from this episode and recent history, "dim bulb" seems more apropos.

7:09 AM  
Anonymous J. Edgar Hoover (dec.) said...

No offense to all the anonymous bloggers out there, but this whole thing has to be one of the silliest arguments in a long internet tradition of wild-eyed ranting about silly arguments. I didn't know Whelan from shinola before I stumbled over this, but his actions brand him as exactly as he's been characterized here and elsewhere. His various supporters here do extraordinarily little to bolster his position, with their arm-waving huffing and puffing. I've been around long enough to know that engaging the argument on its merits is a rare and noteworthy event, when gossip, smears and wilful misunderstanding are so much more fun, and easier, to boot.
You hate anonymity? Tough beans, doofus. You require anonymity? I could give a crap. I read the blogs for information, interpretation and amusement. I don't see that having a "real name" attached makes the above any more or less likely to be accurate, interesting or amusing. Those who hold that "using a real name makes the blogger more careful, because more accountable" are, not to put too fine a point on it, idiots. Now, if these people leaving offended comments here are doing it for fun, that's one thing - I occasionally drop in to various places to leave Rosanne Rosannadanna rants myself. If they're seriously debating the position of internet anonymity as a moral and ethical position, though, they should be banned from the interwebs until they've read through the collected Usenet posts from the years 1985-1990, inclusive. It won't make them any smarter or informed, but it might make them a bit less stable at their foundations. It might also help them with the creative use of invective and grade-school personal attacks.

7:32 AM  
Blogger South Florida Lawyers said...

I happen to agree with A.L for the reasons he stated.

I also happen to agree with Jonah (oy) when he wrote that sometimes you need a higher level of civility to survive and gain readership as an anon blogger.

9:51 AM  
Blogger Jazzbumpa said...

Anon @12:11
I'm not sure which I find more egregious: withholding information from clients, or saying that a judge or jury would be swayed by knowing your personal beliefs.

Wow. This is just deep, deep stupid. First off, why should anyone care what you or I or anyone else finds personally egregious? Your idiosyncratic outrage at someone else's decision - that effects you in no way at all - is one of the more trivial brands of irrelevance. Second, you have willfully ignored all the lucid arguments in support of pseudonymous blogging that have posted right here in front of you. Third, you post as fucking anonymous.

9:55 AM  
Anonymous Sebastian Dangerfield said...

The ironies abound. Whelan does not blog anonymously and would be ignored if he did. His audience only treats his posts as authoritative because of Whelan's credentials. If his cartoonish righth-wing talking points were uttered by anyone else, much less by anyone who was posting under sa pseudonym, they would be far more likely to be dismissed as the hackery they are, given that the talking points are manifestly undermined by the slightest familiarity with how our federal court system -- indeed, how the law in general -- works.

AMusingly enough, folks like Publius and A.L. have aduiences based purely on content -- becasue they cannot make the fallacious appeal to authority that someone like Whelan -- who is using his credentials to establish his credibility, because his argumetns damn sure don't cut it -- relies on.

12:19 PM  
Anonymous Aaron Baker said...

docweasel said:

"This is really rich coming from the same liberal douches who "out" gay Republicans and try to destroy their lives. Fuck "publius". WTF is he so scared of that he has to hide his identity?

And the entire "Whelan is a conservative hack/hitman trope is a laugh as well. He's just a counterpart to the leftards' Cass Sunnstein and others who dig up dirt on any conservative nominee, distort their record, try to gin up outrage over perfectly reasonable decisions, etc. Just ask Sen. Sessions. Fuck you and your sanctimonious outrage, your fucking asshole."

Who here has outed a gay Republican? I know I haven't, so this comment has no bearing on me. Somehow I doubt you have evidence that anyone else who's posted here has done so either.

As for Jeff Sessions: evidence of his racist statements was germane to the issue of, well, whether or not he was a racist. If you think that racist statements should not diqualify you for a federal judgeship, please be honest enough to say so; we'll just agree to disagree.

12:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see no good reason to blog anonymously.

You obviously didn't read the post by Publius after his "outing" by the man-child Whelan. Publius provided several significant reasons, both professional and personal, not to blog using one's name.

2:09 PM  

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