Dispatches from the Alternative Right Wing Universe
Today John Hinderaker at Powerline wrote the following about Barack Obama:
But a man who was notorious for his struggles with the English language, who achieved everything in his life by virtue of his last name, a man who admittedly had no interest in foreign policy and had traveled nowhere prior to becoming president . . . that guy is worldly beyond measure, a "man of extraordinary vision and brilliance approaching to genius."
What's really sad is that Hinderaker is not alone in this belief. If you read the right wing blogs, it's just an accepted fact that Obama is a moron. It's as if they think that if they say it over and over again, it will somehow catch on with the public at large. The problem with this meme, of course, is that it's so easily disproven. No one who watched Obama give his hour long prime time press conference last month--where he gave lengthy professorial answers to every question asked--would entertain for even a moment the suggestion that he is stupid or unknowledgeable or incapable of speaking without a teleprompter. The right wing blogosphere might as well be trying to convince the public that Obama is white.
But in the up-is-down world of the right wing echo chamber, anything goes, no matter how dumb.
Everyone knows that Barack Obama is lost without his teleprompter, but his latest blunder, courtesy of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, via the Corner, suggests that the teleprompter may not be enough unless it includes phonetic spellings. [Obama apparently mispronounced the name of the company "Orion"]If that alone isn't enough to make your head explode, here's what the very same John Hinderaker had to say about our previous president:
So evidently we have to add astronomy to history and economics as subjects of which Obama is remarkably ignorant. I'm beginning to fear that our President has below-average knowledge of the world. Not for a President, but for a middle-aged American.
It must be very strange to be President Bush. A man of extraordinary vision and brilliance approaching to genius, he can't get anyone to notice. He is like a great painter or musician who is ahead of his time, and who unveils one masterpiece after another to a reception that, when not bored, is hostile.The alternative universe that these folks manage to create for themselves is really quite something to behold. In their world, a man who was the editor-in-chief of the Harvard Law Review and a constitutional law professor at a top law school is some sort of empty suit who is incapable of thinking or expressing a coherent thought without a teleprompter. A man who spent much of his childhood in Indonesia, has travelled extensively overseas, and who, by all accounts, is an avid student of foreign policy is some kind of ignoramus who knows nothing about the world.
But a man who was notorious for his struggles with the English language, who achieved everything in his life by virtue of his last name, a man who admittedly had no interest in foreign policy and had traveled nowhere prior to becoming president . . . that guy is worldly beyond measure, a "man of extraordinary vision and brilliance approaching to genius."
What's really sad is that Hinderaker is not alone in this belief. If you read the right wing blogs, it's just an accepted fact that Obama is a moron. It's as if they think that if they say it over and over again, it will somehow catch on with the public at large. The problem with this meme, of course, is that it's so easily disproven. No one who watched Obama give his hour long prime time press conference last month--where he gave lengthy professorial answers to every question asked--would entertain for even a moment the suggestion that he is stupid or unknowledgeable or incapable of speaking without a teleprompter. The right wing blogosphere might as well be trying to convince the public that Obama is white.
But in the up-is-down world of the right wing echo chamber, anything goes, no matter how dumb.



51 Comments:
Traveled extensively? Don't make me laugh. Hawai'i is not a foreign country you know. So, he's been to Kenya (once?) and lived in Indo. Where else? That's hardly a tourist, NOT extensive travel.
of course, al, how else could it be? think about the mentality where afetrr 8 years of the bush sindicate, all blame for the housing bubble burst and the subsequent economic collapse on jimmy carter and bill clinton. these are the same people that call the recession "the obama recession". its republican fantasy land!
I guess you didn't read the "Update" part of Hinderaker's 2005 post.
Hinderaker's update has nothing to do with reality - at the time, when Bush was at the peak of his popularity, this post was seen as completely serious and straightforward. Only later, when Bush lived up to his moniker of miserable failure did Hindraker trot out the update claiming it was a "parody." Good grief.
Great post, Anon. Lib. Expect the winguts to be out for your blood for this, but they've got no leg to stand on, except to go for the jugular.
MLS,
I've seen the update, and the Richard is right; it was added much later, after Hinderaker was so widely mocked for the post.
Plus, it's not as if that was only worshipful post the guy wrote about Bush over the years. And now he's convinced that Obama is too dumb and unknowledgable to be president? Please.
As for the comment above about Obama's travels, if I remember right, he did some overseas traveling during his college years in addition to the Africa trip later in his life. Plus, as U.S. Senator, he traveled extensively and was a member for the foreign policy committee.
When Bush took office, he had barely traveled anywhere, despite growing up as a child of privilege. He could have traveled wherever he wanted as a youth and an adult. But he didn't care. He was completely incurious about the outside world.
The last I checked, Obama is the President now. That is all that matters.
BTW, Hinderaker's analysis of Obama is quite correct.
Obama has been a bit disappointing in some ways to a lot of people who didn't really pay attention to him on the campaign trail; he's human, and he stammers and hesitates quite a lot (he also says stupid things at times, you can't deny it), so it's perhaps natural that people on the right are aggravated that some of the same traits and gaffes made by George W. were railed against with such vigor, while Obama's panic (say in the few days following Palin's nomination) and off the cuff "jokes" seem to "get a pass."
I think that both Bush and Obama are flawed and both in pretty large ways; it's the blinders on either side of the aisle that aggravate me more than anything either man said/says or did/does. Bush and Obama acolytes are just that, and it's pretty sad, isn't it, that neither side can see the flaws in their own guy (or they make excuses galore for them) but can't wait to point them out in the other?
"The right wing blogosphere might as well be trying to convince the public that Obama is white."
I believe that's talk radio's job.
And on the topic of travel, Bush had traveled to China (where he spent a month), to the Middle East (with a governor's delegation), and to Africa. In addition, he'd traveled to Europe (England, Ireland, Spain), Mexico, Japan, and Israel. He has a BA from Yale and an MBA from Harvard. The perception of him as a rube is fine and obviously the facts won't deter that, but he traveled no less (more?) than Obama did prior to being president.
"In their world, a man who was the editor-in-chief of the Harvard Law Review and a constitutional law professor at a top law school is some sort of empty suit who is incapable of thinking or expressing a coherent thought without a teleprompter."
Have you, uhh, actually watched, hmm, Obama speaking live, or, ahhhh, do you just, ummm, re-read his.... resume? Are you punch-drunk?
Tom Maguire
Oh please, Tom. You're smarter than that. I've watched Obama speak countless times in non-teleprompter settings. Yes, there are a lot of "umms", but that's true of virtually anyone who's actually thinking while talking. Watch any talk show with smart guests being asked tough questions and you'll hear a lot of pauses and "umms." But you can still tell that they're intelligent and knowledgable. Obama is the same way. If you watch his press conferences, he clearly knows his stuff backwards and forwards. It's haulting at times, but that's because he's trying to actually give a substantive, thoughtful answer, not a memorized 5-word talking point. Obama sounds like professor when he's off the cuff (you do remember what professors sound like right?).
Plus, however Obama comes across, he's quite apparently orders of magnitude more polished, thoughtful, and eloquent than the prior occupant of the White House. Surprisingly, though, the John Hinderakers of the world didn't think Bush was an empty suit. Go figure.
I never understood how a guy who graduated with an MBA from Harvard can see things in such black-and-white terms? Aren't they all supposed to be extremely analytical? Or is AL suggesting that Bush was able to get into Harvard with influence?
Have you, uhh, actually watched, hmm, Obama speaking live, or, ahhhh, do you just, ummm, re-read his.... resume? Are you punch-drunk?
How absolutely moronic. Ah's and um's as the sign of someone's intelligence. How to know when the other side has absolutely no credible case whatsoever.
I think they are simply imitating the left. They saw us correctly pointing out the idiocy of Bush, and thought, "We should play the idiot card against Obama."
It's the same as how they are calling Obama a fascist and a dictator committing war crimes.
It's insane, it has no basis in reality, but they do it because they might convince anyone at all.
They would call Gandhi a genocide artist if they thought it would serve them.
This is all part of the right-wing's attempt to Stepin Fetchit Obama. They might as well call him a "shiftless, lazy n**ger". Shit, Limbaugh himself played the Mugabe card today. So much for that GOP outreach to non-white voters.
If you are a person who believes that Bush is a moron and Obama is a genius, then stop going back to Bush for a baseline when defending Obama's gaffes.
The only way that Hinderaker brings Bush into the equation is by noting the obvious: "[C]an you imagine the hooting and hollering that would have ensued if George Bush had never heard of Orion? I can't, actually."
So defend away Obama's mispronunciation of Orion, his Special Olympics comment, his thanking himself at the St. Patrick's Day press conference (yes, the Irish P.M. erred first, but at least he caught himself), his embarrassing treatment of Gordon Brown, and all the rest. But since we already know that you think Bush is an idiot, don't obfuscate by comparing Obama to Bush.
You'll notice that Hinderaker does not compare Obama's knowledge to Bush's, or any president's for that matter. He says that he's "beginning to fear that our President has below-average knowledge of the world. Not for a President, but for a middle-aged American."
What's really funny.
They are calling Obama a socialist while bemoaning the fact that his treasury is giving trillions to the rich and their corporations.
Is this trickle-down socialism?
I'm a little late to the party here, but can anybody explain why we should give poke-one-of-a-flying-f*ck what Hinderaker thinks about anything?
Fun fact: Orion was also the name of an experimental spaceflight propulsion system -- it was to have been nucular-powered.
Personally, I'm impressed that our president pronounced the Orion, which is from ancient greek, properly -- as it would be pronounced almost everywhere else in the world.
Bush isnt an idiot because he mispronounces words. The speech problems are only a minor syndrome of his particularly spectacular brand of idiocy. As for the obama-teleprompter thing-- there is something to be said about writing the majority of your speeches yourself. How often did bush do that? The words that come out of obamas mouth come from his brain. This is the difference.
"Bush isn't an idiot because he mispronounces words."
I agree completely -- he mispronounces words because he's an idiot.
Obama was not Editor-In-Chief. He was elected President of the law review amidst ongoing protests over lack of minority presence. Still a nice accomplishment of course, but it is a significant difference.We all have gaps in knowledge, Obama included. He is no genius just as Bush is no idiot.
Its hilarious to think that a guy who graduated from Harvard Law is calling out someone else from Harvard Law as unintelligent. Does that make Hinderaker unintelligent too?
As to OAR-ee-on....not sure how the company pronounces it but here in Chicago on WGN radio there is a guy who does the farm report.....OAR-ee-on Samuelson. Yes he pronounces it that way.
"What's really sad is that Hinderaker is not alone in this belief. If you read the right wing blogs, it's just an accepted fact that Obama is a moron."
Let them keep up the memo. It is potentially very useful Regan was thought off as an idiot as well by the left. But Dr. Parenti pointed out that he may be a moron but he is very successful at passing his ideological agenda. So let the Repubs, the right wing blogs, Fox News speculate on how dumb Obama is.
What poor little A.L. fails to realize is that Obama had a TelePrompTer feeding him his "lengthy professorial answers". Liberals are so easy to fool.
Yes, the actual Greek pronunciation is "O-REE-ON." Obama was correct, just a little more Ivy League than the average American... That won't stop the right from going "nucular" over it, however.
I've noticed that the bedlam right these days seems to attack Obama in ways that resemble the way the left treated Bush. The left called Bush an illegitimate president. So the right brings up ACORN, and then the natural-born-citizen business. The left called Bush a moron, so now the right tries to depict Obama that way.
You get the sense with bloggers like this that they're not so much comparing Bush with Obama as trying to knock Obama off a pedestal they believe he's been placed on. Bush mispronounced plenty of words, confused Slovenia with Slovakia, referred to Africa as a country, etc., but he never claimed to be an intellectual. What bloggers like this are saying, in effect, is that if this former U. of Chicago instructor can't keep these concepts straight, he must be really out to lunch.
I hate to break it to y'all, but you might want to break out a dictionary:
Orion |əˈ rīən|
Oh my, the emphasis is on the first syllable. (I knew that. So does our President. Hey, give him a break, he knows how to pronounce Pakistan, too.)
Now what kind of a moron is this Hinderaker fella?
-- rumorist
the emphasis is on the first syllable
Not according to Merriam Webster Online, where you can hear it pronounced.
What dictionary were you using?
The comparison with Bush is quite simple. Take the teleprompters out of it. Watch Obama on 60 Minutes and in his press conferences, and compare that to Bush's press conferences and one-on-one interviews. Transcribe their words. Look at the complexity of their ideas, see which one uses more repeated slogans. Ask yourself how insane you would have had to have been to think Obama the moron.
Obama "uh's" and "um's" no more than William F. Buckley did. Give it up.
Blast! I was going to go with the Buckley point.
In all honesty, I have thought BO to be a mediocre public speaker since the '04 DNC. But anyone who believes "umms" and "ahhs" are symptomatic of stupidity is either flagrantly and unapologetically intellectually dishonest, or..ummm...ahhh...f*cking stupid.
You consider Obama to be a mediocre public speaker?!? Care to give an example of someone you think is a good or great public speaker and why?
Jason:
I am often bothered by the false starts, "ums" and "ahhs" vis a vis the pure aesthetic of BO's speeches...though I do grant you that "mediocre" was probably far too harsh a characterization.
As for "good or great" public speakers, Bill Clinton (good), Mario Cuomo (intermittently great, imo), and Malcolm X (almost uniformly great) come to mind...
Having just read the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel coverage that started all this, it's now clear to me that Hinderaker's ridicule is even more specious than I originally realized.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/business/41689067.html
The president was talking about Orion Energy Systems. OES makes energy-efficient skylights for houses. They don't make telescopes. They don't make components for NASA. Yes, skylights let in light from the sun. The sun IS in space. True. All true. But the president can be forgiven for not having constellations on his mind when he discussed skylights.
Now, I grant you that I would have looked at the "Orion" in Orion Energy Systems and assumed it was pronounced like the constellation. But the same logic would also lead me to mispronounce the name of GM's Lake Orion plant. How is that "Orion" pronounced? Here's audio from a local government meeting in the village of Lake Orion.
http://tinyurl.com/dxvopp
Note the non-astronomical pronunciation of the village's name.
Hell, Orion Energy Systems's founder could just as well be Mr. Orion -- just like all these Orions who came up when I searched the white pages just now.
http://tinyurl.com/d37omh
Finally, what I'm realizing is that I care about different things than Hinderaker (whose name I don't pretend to know how to pronounce). It doesn't matter to me whether or not my president mispronounces a company's name. What matters is what he does next. In this case, he returned to the microphone to correct himself. Self-assured people do this. They don't panic. They don't offer the CEO stimulus money if he agrees to change the pronunciation of the company's name right then and there. Self-assured people admit mistakes. It's good.
Finally -- and yes I know I typed "finally" at the start of the previous paragraph -- I, too, want to admit a mistake. I have now wasted 20 minutes of my life, doing web research to counter Hinderaker's idiocy. Hinderaker doesn't matter to me. His mocking of the president's intelligence doesn't ring true to any fair-minded American who's watched Obama at a press conference or at a town hall.
I'm not going to waste my time like this again.
@David Quigg,
If it makes you feel any better, here's one vote in favor of what you've done!
I actually have a Harvard MBA myself, I can tell you for a fact that assuming we're all smart is a big mistake ;-).
I did not see Obama's speech but I sympathize. The first place I remember seeing "Orion" was in a kid's book on astronomy. In Robert Graves' "The Greek Myths", I found out how the hunter Orion got to be among the stars.
But I always pronounced it "or-ee-on" in my mind until I heard Charlton Heston use "or-eye-on" in Planet of the Apes. Orion is where we think the planet is, until we get to the end.
Since Heston was a right-wing sell-out to the NRA, he must be right.
How many "umms" in "Is our children learning?"
How many "ahhs" in "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, fool... can't get fooled again!"
How many dead American soldiers in "Weapons of Mass Destruction Related Program Activities."
When Obama gets bested by a piece of twisted salty starch, get back to us on the "dumbass" meme.
Well, I like Obama, but every time he said "Oreeon" it was embarrassing. As are his "umm"ing, though lately he seems to keep that under control better.
Though, don't forget at the very end, he corrected himself and pointed out that it was "Orion" not "Oreeon". Nobody seems to mention that, and that's obviously the reason the "MSM" didn't pounce on this.
I'm part of a Toastmasters club, and one of the things they do there is count your "uhs" and "ums," so that you become conscious of them and learn to substitute them with pauses instead.
The right wing blogosphere might as well be trying to convince the public that Obama is white.
Funny you should say that. I have a Republican Friend who clames that Obama isn't really black because his mom was white. I've seen a few other republicans use this arguement.
Their echo chamber appears to be constructed of a very high grade of titanium.
"Or is AL suggesting that Bush was able to get into Harvard with influence?"
If he isn't I am. The guy got "Gentleman's C's" at Yale. He couldn't get into the University of Texas Law School. His father was a Congressman at the time and his grandfather a Senator and the quintessence of the Eastern Establishment. UT might reject that, but Harvard Business wouldn't.
But whatever. The genius-level dialog (hey Moderate "no one but ME can see the flaws of each men" Guy, did it ever occur to you that your 'even-handed' approach might ALSO BE WRONG?) here is really remarkable. Keep thinking Obama's a moron. No one else but your tiny, cloistered, group of teabagging confederates agrees with you.
I liked this email I wrote to Powerline so much that I'll share it here, too:
Let me get this straight: John Hinderaker, he of Bush-the-unsung-genius infamy, has concluded that Obama’s just not that bright? And he’s come by this intuition on the basis of one mispronounced word? As attorney and teacher, I have seen more examples than I care to remember of the triumph of wishful thinking over brute evidence; but this transcends them all.
Since January, I’ve thought again and again: how pleasant to have a non-idiot, non-ignoramus, non-callow-and-incurious-boy-man for our president. How lucky we are that the eight-year international embarrassment is finally over. But I exulted too soon; for it seems that the adult who now occupies the White House mispronounced “Orion.” (I mean, it’s not as if the word was “nuclear.”)
Please, Mr. Hinderaker, find out whatever undisclosed location Dick Cheney’s about to be banished to, and go there yourself. Really. None of the adults in the room wants to hear from you any longer.
Sincerely,
Aaron Baker
Evanston IL 60202
Ablegal1960@hotmail.com
So lemme get this straight---Obama's a moron who can't speak without a teleprompter and when he goes off-script he goes into too much detail and is overly professorial.
Good lord, GOP, what the hell happened to you? Weren't you guys the masters of message discipline, like, two weeks ago?
Great analysis, but I have just one quibble. Obama is white. He's black, too, of course. But why does no one ever actually say that Obama is white? Unless you define white as "without African blood"--and I sure hope you don't--Obama gets his membership in club caucasus.
I went to my bathroom and took a Bush and had to flush three times for it to go down.
Powerline has a forum too, not very active, where they sit around talking about marxist Obama's birth certificate and how they can get him out of office. Go look. It's funny to see how they ignore huge news stories and focus on their own little world.
"[C]an you imagine the hooting and hollering that would have ensued if George Bush had never heard of Orion? I can't, actually."
I rather doubt Bush ever had heard of Orion.
Forgive me for being blunt, but any person who believes that George W. Bush is smarter than Barack Obama is delusional, blind, or sadly for them, as stupid as Bush.
Yes, G.W. Bush is an idiot. Everyone who still hasn't realised should consider himself to be an idiot as well. Seriously.
And on the contrary, Obama clearly has a much higher thinking and operating level than Bush has ever reached and will ever reach.
But it's not the point.
The UsA has been run by an idiot president for eight years, that's amazing one might say, if you believe in the idea that a president is actually making important decisions. Common people. If that were true you'd be all walking around with cowboy hats, taking a holiday every next week.
And that's the scary thing happening at the moment. The Obama administration is replicating most of the crap George W. introduced, but people are not seeing it. Instead they focus on b*llcrap like the discussion above..
It's sad and people will eventually get what they deserve.
"Funny you should say that. I have a Republican Friend who clames that Obama isn't really black because his mom was white. I've seen a few other republicans use this arguement."
From a biological point of view Obama is probably about half white (ie Caucasoid) half black (ie Negroid). From a present-day "everything must be PC" viewpoint he can probably choose for himself. But I bet if you ask him he'll go "thanks for sharing your point of view, next question please".
If black people want to claim Obama as black, that's fine with me. I think it's much more socially meaningful than claiming him as white.
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