A Pivotal Moment for the Democratic Party
In light of her victory today in Nevada, my guess is that Hillary Clinton is now the odds on favorite to win the Democratic nomination. It's still early and the race is by no means over, but I think Obama now has the more difficult path to the nomination. And with apologies to Senator Clinton and her supporters--to whom I mean no disrespect--I find the prospect of a Clinton-led Democratic ticket depressing and problematic.
I say that for several reasons. First, from a purely strategic standpoint, I am deeply concerned about Hillary's ability to win a general election. I sincerely hope that I'm wrong about this, but my gut tells me that she'll lose. General elections inevitably hinge on perceptions of character, and Hillary is already disliked by over half the country. And perhaps more importantly, she's disliked by much of the mainstream media, which will ensure that she gets relentlessly bad press coverage throughout the election. That's particularly true if she ends up running against John McCain, who is beloved by the media and who, unlike Hillary, has high cross-party appeal.
I know it's been said so many times now that it's become cliche, but nothing would unite and galvanize the Republican party (which is currently demoralized and in disarray) more than running against Hillary Clinton. That's a particularly important consideration in a year when a significant percentage of Republicans are guaranteed to be less than enthusiastic about their own nominee--whomever that turns out to be.
Although I will certainly vote for Clinton if she is the nominee, I confess I won't be enthusiastic about doing so. I don't particularly like the idea of the White House shifting back and forth between members of the Bush and Clinton families or the reigns of power shifting back and forth between Bush and Clinton loyalists. There's something dynastic and unamerican about that.
I also find it very hard to believe that Clinton--if she manages to win at all--will ever secure the sort of electoral mandate or enjoy the level of personal popularity necessary to accomplish any real change.
I guess this is all a long way of saying that I fear that the Democratic party is on the verge of making a colossal mistake.
This upcoming election may offer a once in a lifetime opportunity to change the direction of the country in a fundamental way. There's a recession looming, if it hasn't already arrived. The sitting Republican president and his policies--both domestic and foreign--are deeply unpopular. Independent voters and even many Republicans are deeply disenchanted with the state of the country and the current Republican party.
The circumstances are ideal for a charismatic, fresh-faced Democratic to put a new face on the Democratic party and lead it to a sweeping victory, not just in the presidential election but in Congressional elections as well, and thereby create the ever-so-rare conditions necessary to accomplish significant and meaningful change.
I think Obama has the potential to be that kind of transformational candidate. He's new, he's unlike any Democratic politician the American people have seen before, and he's an exceptional orator. In other words, he seems well-suited to make the most of this unique moment in history.
Clinton, by contrast, is the opposite of a fresh face. She represents, quite literally, a continuation of the last Democratic administration, and because of that, it is highly unlikely that she'll be able to expand the Democratic coalition or win over even the most disgruntled of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents.
Again, I hope I'm wrong, but I worry that if the Democratic party nominates Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama--which it looks increasingly likely to do--it will turn out to be a mistake and a missed opportunity of truly epic proportions, the political equivalent of drafting Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan.
UPDATE: I also tend agree with this:
I say that for several reasons. First, from a purely strategic standpoint, I am deeply concerned about Hillary's ability to win a general election. I sincerely hope that I'm wrong about this, but my gut tells me that she'll lose. General elections inevitably hinge on perceptions of character, and Hillary is already disliked by over half the country. And perhaps more importantly, she's disliked by much of the mainstream media, which will ensure that she gets relentlessly bad press coverage throughout the election. That's particularly true if she ends up running against John McCain, who is beloved by the media and who, unlike Hillary, has high cross-party appeal.
I know it's been said so many times now that it's become cliche, but nothing would unite and galvanize the Republican party (which is currently demoralized and in disarray) more than running against Hillary Clinton. That's a particularly important consideration in a year when a significant percentage of Republicans are guaranteed to be less than enthusiastic about their own nominee--whomever that turns out to be.
Although I will certainly vote for Clinton if she is the nominee, I confess I won't be enthusiastic about doing so. I don't particularly like the idea of the White House shifting back and forth between members of the Bush and Clinton families or the reigns of power shifting back and forth between Bush and Clinton loyalists. There's something dynastic and unamerican about that.
I also find it very hard to believe that Clinton--if she manages to win at all--will ever secure the sort of electoral mandate or enjoy the level of personal popularity necessary to accomplish any real change.
I guess this is all a long way of saying that I fear that the Democratic party is on the verge of making a colossal mistake.
This upcoming election may offer a once in a lifetime opportunity to change the direction of the country in a fundamental way. There's a recession looming, if it hasn't already arrived. The sitting Republican president and his policies--both domestic and foreign--are deeply unpopular. Independent voters and even many Republicans are deeply disenchanted with the state of the country and the current Republican party.
The circumstances are ideal for a charismatic, fresh-faced Democratic to put a new face on the Democratic party and lead it to a sweeping victory, not just in the presidential election but in Congressional elections as well, and thereby create the ever-so-rare conditions necessary to accomplish significant and meaningful change.
I think Obama has the potential to be that kind of transformational candidate. He's new, he's unlike any Democratic politician the American people have seen before, and he's an exceptional orator. In other words, he seems well-suited to make the most of this unique moment in history.
Clinton, by contrast, is the opposite of a fresh face. She represents, quite literally, a continuation of the last Democratic administration, and because of that, it is highly unlikely that she'll be able to expand the Democratic coalition or win over even the most disgruntled of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents.
Again, I hope I'm wrong, but I worry that if the Democratic party nominates Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama--which it looks increasingly likely to do--it will turn out to be a mistake and a missed opportunity of truly epic proportions, the political equivalent of drafting Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan.
UPDATE: I also tend agree with this:
[T]he longer the Democratic race goes on, the likelier it appears that Clinton could well win the nomination in a way almost designed to maximally divide and demoralize her own party - and raise her own national negatives to stratospheric levels. It would mean a Clinton candidacy in the fall that had actively alienated independents and repelled Republicans, while undermining a key source of Democratic support - African-Americans.
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Does it occur to you that when these "African-American" people say they are voting for Obama, not because he is the most qualified, but rather because he is black, that is overt racism?
These people are on CNN saying that they are voting for Obama ONLY because he is black, and they think it is time for a black president. It seems they are pitting the black versus white.
For a group of people who tends to cry racism so much, it is very interesting to sit back and watch them rationalize and justify their own racism.
BTW...when they have to be identified as "African-American" rather than just Americans, isn't that racist?
I, like you, hope you are wrong. And though I have the utmost respect of your opinion, I think you are wrong.
1) I think the Clinton haters are the 30% ers.
2) Agree McCain will be a formidable opponent but I see Clinton having a better chance than Obama.
3) I think Clinton's brains and ability will become apparent and win it for her.
I'm an Edwards supporter.
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I was watching CNN also, and what I saw was people saying they would vote for Obama because he was black AND because they liked his ideas/policies. Obviously when they say his colour is a factor for voting for him, it is because they feel they will be better represented by someone who is as multicultural as Obama is. Obama has been all over the world which definitely gives him an advantage to understanding minorities I would say.
AL, a well thought out post. But it did make me feel depressed. I agree about all the problems Clinton would create if the candidate. And I really don't want to see Bill in the white house again. But perhaps you are overplaying the problems Obama faces? Did he not actually win more delegates in Nevada? (Although perhaps the media will only report Clinton's "win" and she'll gain more momentum and inevitability off that).
I think it's very possible people will soon get sick of Bill playing nasty politics behind the scenes, while leaving Hillary to shine in the perfect spotlight. Bill's desperation before all the caucuses/primaries is certainly getting on my nerves. Maybe it will for others as well.
And of course the Clinton's opposition to democracy on the Las Vegas strip should hinder her support.
It's not just black voters who will be voting their identity. Women are already backing Clinton in clear numbers. Oprah has been called a "traitor" on her website's forum, which may well have convinced her not to stump for Obama.
Hillary Clinton also has the added bonus of an extremely popular former president acting as her attack dog. Obama doesn't yet have an answer to Hillary and Bill's combined star power, and is for all practical purposes outnumbered 1 to 2, AND forced to stay away from too much negativity.
He also hasn't helped his cause in embracing some Republican rhetoric and refusing to run as a true progressive.
I guess this is all a long way of saying that I fear that the Democratic party is on the verge of making a colossal mistake.
They are. I have voted for Democrats for a long time, so I've seen the Democrats make a lot of mistakes. This is another one.
Nothing will rally the dispirited and demoralized Republicans like nominating Hillary Clinton. She is one thing they can all agree on.
She will be clobbered by independents and male voters. Over half the country knows all they need to know about Hillary Clinton and they despise her. This makes a good candidate?
If Hilary wins, we are doomed. However, not any less doomed than if Obama or pretty much anyone else wins. We need a bloody third party.
Clinton had the support of African-Americans until a) Obama proved viable and a likable candidate and b) she went racist. So any claim that it's just race lines that people are voting on is just ignoring the facts.
It's also ignoring that black women are as much women as they are black but are still going for Obama. I guess it'd be sexist if they voted for HRC right?
As far as HRC Inc. goes they've ruined their standing in much of the AA community and especially with younger voters, they can't get the young voters out and won't pull any independents so either they'll lose in the general (assuming HRC gets the nomination) or they'll win in a squeaker. The HRC Inc. goes to Washington where they either have to pass right-wing bills or no bills at all.
A tremendous mistake by the Dems but really as HRC Inc. will do anything to win it's not clear that it'll be on the heads of the Dems as much as hers.
AL, none of us can see the future, but fwiw I agree with your take on this.
If McCain and Clinton turn out to be the respective nominees, I find it notable that the campaign will have functioned to select the two candidates that are most similar to each other, providing the least contrast and choice for voters in the general election.
One other thing to note--Obama actually realized more delegates from Nevada than did Clinton.
I'm not going to get worried about a Clinton nomination until after Super Duper Tuesday. Obama is probably going to be going in to that vote with a win in S.C.
After that, we'll see what the delegate totals are. I'd also suggest that, in pulling out all the stops for Hillary in Nevada, Bill may not have helped her down the road.
If, as seems likely, we're headed for a brokered GOP convention, then do you really think McCain can be nominated? I doubt it. It seems to me that the GOP is still headed for a ticket headed by Romney.
I'm still holding out hope for Obama on Super Duper Tuesday, because I'd prefer to cast my vote for him than against Romney.
Hillary is certain to be the nominee, and African-Americans are beginning to realize how much of a friend they really have in Bill. Lots of fun watching a former President of the United States, veins bulging in his neck, face purple with rage, bullying some reporter who's only doing his job. But hell, I guess maybe if they go back to the White House they might bring all the stolen china and silverware back.
Just wondering if there is anyone left alive who still thinks Huckabee could win the Republican nomination.
Call me naive but I believe Republicans are going to get a drubbing in the forthcoming presidential elections. I expect them to lose both houses and the presidency as well. I expect the 2006 election results, round two.
You can actually sense a lack of enthusiasm in the Republican party. Current Republican office holders are retiring, declining to run. The economy is nose diving, Iraq lingers on, job cuts in the thousands are being announced every day (and we are not talking about waiters and waitresses either but middle and upper middle income voters) and the mortgage crisis continues to grow. What good developments does a Republican candidate have to point to? What rational person wants four more years of this grief?
I agree that Clinton can be a divisive candidate but, assuming she does become the Democratic presidential candidate, I think she can take care of herself well in debates and the campaign trail versus a sole Republican candidate. Keep in mind too that Hillary has weathered the Republican attack machine before. She is not going to get caught in the headlights like a deer as Kerry did. She understands how to respond quickly and forcefully. Hillary will attract women voters and blacks (assuming Obama has been eliminated as a contender). I think she may split among independents but pull enough to make a difference.
A big plus for any Democratic candidate will be the fact that the country desperatly wants a significant change in direction. This, conversely, is a huge negative for any Republican candidate. In fact, I think this may actually be a critical and deciding factor in the election. The country has been sorely burdened by the Republican policies of the Bush administration. Republicans can put whatever spin they want on the situation but it is hard to contend that we, as a country, are in a good position at the moment.
I consider the Clintons to have been, and continue to be, bad for the Democratic Party. And that includes Bill's action during the 1990s (supportive of big business, harmful to labor, ignoring Rwanda, restriction on Habeus Corpus).
Being a Edwards backer, it is frustrating to see the press calling it a two person race. I agree that electing Hillary will unite the Republicans like nothing else could. On the other hand, more and more pundits are beginning to realize that the majority of the white south will not vote for a black. Obama would get the white intellectuals but lose the blue collar whites simply based on race. So it seems which ever is nominated it is going to be a hard row. The other critical factor is who McCain would chose as his running mate. The odds of him living to fulfill his term are not that great. So the veep would be all important. God help us if he picks Liberman. It is hard to figure why the working class of this country haven't picked up on what Edwards is telling them. Corporate America is not their friend.
A reporter tried to do his job in this campaign? I'm surprised his fellow reporters left it to Bill to correct him. They climbed all over the AP guy who called Romney on his BS about lobbyists not running his campaign, they didn't leave it to higher authority.
Huckabee's chances aren't all that great, we'll grant it, but do recall, Neutral, that two weeks ago you said, and I quote: "Hillary is toast." This primary campaign isn't exactly over, with only 7 percent of the population having had a chance to vote/caucus in the GOP primary. Just over 2 percent, in the Democratic Party, since you can't count Michigan and South Carolina hasn't voted yet.
It's too soon to count Huckabee out or to be certain about anything.
alley cat,
I agree with you. I hope we're not being foolishly optimistic.
I also thought no way would GWB win in 04.
I think the main reason Clinton's support is only so so on the democratic side is she is pandering to the leans right crowd. And I think it is working and will work. Love her or hate her she is a real pro and very smart and very prepared.
Jubilado - in general elections, the white south will not vote for a Democrat, for the most part. In Democratic primary elections, the black vote alone ought to be sufficient to propel Obama to victory in a lot of southern states.
John- By the south, I am not talking just the deep south but the south of Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Kentucky, etc. You can't win an election on New York and California alone. States like Utah and the Mormon church have a rich history of not being too keen on blacks. The whites of Montana and Wyoming are as conservative as they come and don't take a back seat to Mississipi when it comes to racism. I am not sure, once in that voting booth a lot of whites are going to have second thoughts regardless of the black candidate.
Why are people going to the polls and voting for the worst choice? Probably becuase they have been duped by the media. We all need to really work to get people to understand that they must not vote for Hillary or Obama etc, we need to vote for Gravel
It's Too Dangerous to Give Hillary Clinton Another Shot
I have a dream. I am dreaming that the Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King will, through his indomitable spirit, ensure that the Negro voters shun Hillary Clinton, and punish her for her shameless exploitation of the American Negro throughout her astonishingly amoral political career.
This morning I saw, on CSPAN, the address given by Senator Obama at MLK's church in Atlanta. It was a wonderful speech. Things were said in that speech that could not be said falsely. If it comes down to Hillary or Barack, there is no doubt to me who will be the better president. Obama.
Of course, there is no way that Obama could win the Democratic nomination by dividing and demoralizing much of its activist base by repeatedly running to the right, insulting its victories of the '60's and '70s, and becoming part of the Republican chorus falsifyling history and canonizing Saint Ronnie. (Yes, yes, I know you will tell me that I am hysterical Krugmanite partisan and, in your translation of the original from Obamaese, he said nothing of the kind. But he did, and its a recurring pattern. And even if you think think this interpretation of Obama is wrong, an awful lot of us are wrong--you cannot read the progressive blogosphere and deny that Obama's rhetoric has been divisive.) Would I vote for Obama in November? Sure, though I will probably be holding my nose with both hands, especially since he will likely tack even further right in a general election campaign. You're right that Clinton may have electoral problems, especially in a race against McCain. But so will Obama--the wingnut noise machine, the lockstep MSM, and inevitable Democratic incompetence will be hard to beat. It's probably hard to say which will would be doing better come October, especially since Obama has not been swift boated yet, as he surely will be. I'm no fan of Clinton either--I think Edwards is better on the issues and would likely run at least as well, if not better, better than Clinton or Obama. However, since Edwards is pretty muhch dead, come February 5 in NJ, I've decided to vote for Clinton. At least she does not think Reagan righted the excesses of the '60s and '70s or that the Rebublicans have been the party of ideas in recent ideas. On domestic policy she is at least as good as Obama--probably better--and I think she will actually attempt to fight the Republicnas, not sing Kumbaya at them.
I agree with Marlowe that the Democratic candidate has to be able to withstand brutal attacks in the media from Republicans. They have a vicious and effective attack machine which turns clear Republican negatives into postitives or negates the negative issue entirely by switching the debate to some other aspect of the issue. The Democrat presidential candidate has to be quick on his/her feet in responding to the inevitable crap that will be thrown into the wind. They have to stay focused on the negative issue and stick it up their a** without losing focus and getting derailed from their point. In fact, they have to be very adept and clever at throwing their own crap into the wind. Regrettably, Democrats have performed poorly in this regard in the last two presidential elections.
Whether you like her or not, Hillary has withstood and countered numerous issues of debate with Republicans. She knocked Rudy out of the NY senatorial election. I believe she has an organization that better understands the importance of immediately countering issues in the media. Kerry's campaign, for instance and in contrast, woefully underestimated the critical importance of this kind of response in the media. Additionally, whether you like him or not, Bill Clinton understands this clearly. Rest assured that should Hillary win, Republicans may actually have to defend their terrible record of the last seven years instead of talking about whether the Democratic candidate actually served time honorably in Viet Nam (as Kerry did).
First it's not at all clear who "won" Nevada. Receiving the most delegates is the only objective measurement of victory and it appears like Obama did that although in reality we have to wait until the state convention to find out exactly how the delegates will be apportioned.
Second recent approval ratings I've seen showed Hillary with 43% disapprove and Barack with 38%. It would be nice to have a nominee with lower unfavorables, but those numbers are hardly insurmountable especially in today's highly polarized environment where you can figure 45-49% of the electorate wouldn't even consider voting for the Democrat even if Jesus was the nominee.
Third is it really the case that the Republicans will be nastier vs Hillary than they would vs a black man? Hasn't their entire run of Presidential success since 1968 been premised on racial dog whistles? Considering that Obama has shown himself unwilling or unable to effectively counter Clinton's own negative attacks, a good argument can be made that Hillary would be better positioned to deal with that crap.
Overall though I do agree with AL and Hilzoy that Obama has a much higher ceiling as both a candidate and a President. I don't think though that means Hillary will lose even to Saint McCain. I have a hard time seeing why the public would vote for a 72 year old man who wants 100 more years of the Iraq war during a change election.
Thanks for succinctly putting my thoughts into words my very thoughts!
I couldn't agree more.
Does anybody find it simultaneouly ironic and depressing that, with only a little help from the Clinton campaign, Obama's supporters managed successfully to glue him firmly back into the same old black identity politics? This despite the fact Obama (a smart cookie, who knows it's the kiss of death for his campaign) all but begged them not to make this mistake?
I'm a big fan of divided government, so I'd be perfectly happy with McCain sitting in the White House being cranky and vetoing almost everything. Still, I don't really see it happening: McCain just doesn't have the stamina and patience to run a good general election campaign without reverting to his cautious/creepy persona.
Which may leave us with Clinton, with her lust for power and the morals of a hungry piranha. Still, she ain't stupid. Perhaps nothing bad will happen...
I simply couldn't have scripted it better. Lurleen Clinton will be the nominee, and in gaining the nomination she will have offended the black community in ways that the glib and deceitful Bubba will be powerless to mollify. In the general election that community will shock Lurleen with what it does, and the various co-opted black "leaders" will be of no benefit to her at all.
Thus, in a race that was theirs to lose, the Democrats will indeed lose it, and they will richly deserve their defeat. I intend to gloat quite insufferably.
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