Wednesday, December 26, 2007

Where Krugman Goes Wrong

(update below)

In a piece over at Slate, Paul Krugman expands on an argument he made in one of his recent New York Times columns. His argument, essentially, is that the Democratic party (and its presidential candidates) need to be more partisan:

But Bush will soon be gone. What progressives should be focused on now is taking on the political movement that brought Bush to power. In short, what we need right now isn't Bush bashing—what we need is partisanship. . . .

. . . if you look at peoples' views on actual issues, as opposed to labels, the electorate's growing liberalism is unmistakable. Don't take my word for it; look at the massive report Pew released earlier this year on trends in "political attitudes and core values." Pew found "increased public support for the social safety net, signs of growing public concern about income inequality, and a diminished appetite for assertive national security policies." Meanwhile, nothing's the matter with Kansas: People are ever less inclined to support conservative views on moral values—and have become dramatically more liberal on racial issues. . . .

The question, however, is whether Democrats will take advantage of America's new liberalism. To do that, they have to be ready to forcefully make the case that progressive goals are right and conservatives are wrong. They also need to be ready to fight some very nasty political battles.

And that's where the continuing focus of many people on Bush, rather than the movement he represents, has become a problem.

A year ago, Michael Tomasky wrote a perceptive piece titled "Obama the anti-Bush," in which he described Barack Obama's appeal: After the bitter partisanship of the Bush years, Tomasky argued, voters are attracted to "someone who speaks of his frustration with our polarized politics and his fervent desire to transcend the red-blue divide." People in the news media, in particular, long for an end to the polarization and partisanship of the Bush years—a fact that probably explains the highly favorable coverage Obama has received.

But any attempt to change America's direction, to implement a real progressive agenda, will necessarily be highly polarizing. Proposals for universal health care, in particular, are sure to face a firestorm of partisan opposition. And fundamental change can't be accomplished by a politician who shuns partisanship.
He concludes with this:

So, here's my worry: Democrats, with the encouragement of people in the news media who seek bipartisanship for its own sake, may fall into the trap of trying to be anti-Bushes—of trying to transcend partisanship, seeking some middle ground between the parties.

That middle ground doesn't exist—and if Democrats try to find it, they'll squander a huge opportunity. Right now, the stars are aligned for a major change in America's direction. If the Democrats play nice, that opportunity may soon be gone.
With all due respect to Krugman (who does excellent work most of the time), I think this analysis is exceedingly simplistic and completely mischaracterizes who Barack Obama is and what it is he's selling. There's a tendency among Obama's detractors to characterize him as some sort of naive adherent to the David Broder cult of bipartisanship, someone who believes that all problems can be solved by sitting both sides down at the table and splitting the difference.

There are all kinds of things wrong with this caricature. First of all, it assumes that Obama is some sort of neophyte who doesn't understand how the system works or how hard it is to actually enact legislation. That assumption might make some sense if Obama were a military general or a business executive, i.e., a candidate with no real legislative experience. But Obama has served for over a decade as a legislator (the last three in the U.S. Senate); he's intimately familiar with the legislative process (and, by all accounts, quite skilled at working within it) and well aware of the obstacles any major progressive legislation will face. He's also, by all accounts, an incredibly intelligent, perceptive, and thoughtful person.

In other words, he's not David Broder. It seems to me that Obama's critics are interpreting his rhetoric at an absurdly literal level. Obama is a smart guy, a seasoned legislator, and a keen observer of the political process. He talks about transcending partisanship because he perceives--correctly I believe--that that's what much of the electorate, particularly the independents and swing voters who decide presidential elections, want to hear. As I wrote the other day:

The real trick in politics is to be strong, assertive, and demanding while appearing reasonable, conciliatory, and open to compromise. There is no question that, at times, you have to be willing to bear down and fight, but the rest of the time, it's far better to come across as a uniter, as someone who is willing to work with all sides to reach the right outcome.
If you look at Obama's career, you don't see a Broder-esque, split-the-difference pattern of legislating. Rather, you see someone with pretty standard liberal views on most issues who has tried to reach across the aisle on issues that don't break down along traditional partisan lines. Before Obama had even declared his candidacy, Hilzoy described his legislative style this way:

. . . I do follow legislation, at least on some issues, and I have been surprised by how often Senator Obama turns up, sponsoring or co-sponsoring really good legislation on some topic that isn't wildly sexy, but does matter. His bills tend to have the following features: they are good and thoughtful bills that try to solve real problems; they are in general not terribly flashy; and they tend to focus on achieving solutions acceptable to all concerned, not by compromising on principle, but by genuinely trying to craft a solution that everyone can get behind.

His legislation is often proposed with Republican co-sponsorship, which brings me to another point: he is bipartisan in a good way. According to me, bad bipartisanship is the kind practiced by Joe Lieberman. Bad bipartisans are so eager to establish credentials for moderation and reasonableness that they go out of their way to criticize their (supposed) ideological allies and praise their (supposed) opponents. They also compromise on principle, and when their opponents don't reciprocate, they compromise some more, until over time their positions become indistinguishable from those on the other side.

This isn't what Obama does. Obama tries to find people, both Democrats and Republicans, who actually care about a particular issue enough to try to get the policy right, and then he works with them. This does not involve compromising on principle. It does, however, involve preferring getting legislation passed to having a spectacular battle.
Obviously all problems cannot be solved this way. But this kind of bipartisanship is nevertheless constructive (and very different than Broder-style centrism). It helps establish relationships and trust with members of the opposition--which can be helpful when the big fights come--and it helps establish a reputation for reasonableness among the media and the public (which will also help when the big fights come).

Other than the party composition of Congress, the factor the most influences a president's ability to accomplish his legislative goals is his popularity, as measured both by his approval rating and (especially) by his margin of victory in elections. Obama understands this, which is why he tries so hard to project an image of reasonability.

I agree with those who say that the Democratic party needs to be more partisan, that it needs to be more willing to act like a party and present a more unified front in legislative battles. But politics at the presidential level is very different than politics at the Congressional level. A presidential candidate who comes across as strongly partisan is unlikely to do anything more than eek out a narrow victory, at best (thereby foreclosing any hope of achieving a real electoral mandate), and a president who is perceived to be strongly partisan is unlikely to enjoy anything more than a modestly favorable approval rating (thereby making it hard to pressure the opposition).

Krugman points out that an increasing majority of Americans support the progressive position on the major policy issues of our time. This is true, but it also overlooks the reality of presidential elections. To a degree that you just don't see in congressional elections, presidential elections hinge on perceptions of character. In 2004, polls showed that a majority of Americans sided with Kerry on most major issues (like they had with Gore in 2000). But, like 2000, a sizable contingent of voters--enough to swing the election--voted for George W. Bush based almost entirely on their perceptions of the candidates' characters. In 2000, Bush famously ran as a "uniter" and promised an end bitter partisanship, something that served him well among independent and swing voters. And in 2004, Bush repeatedly contrasted himself with his supposedly flip-flopping opponent, saying things like "you may not agree with me, but at least you know where I stand."

And it worked well. If you doubt that, just read this New York Times article from day after the election. It's full of infuriating quotes like this one:

Shannon Bangle, 31, a lawyer in Austin, Tex., said that he thought Mr. Bush falsely linked the war in Iraq to the terrorist attacks of 2001 and that Republican support for a federal constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage was "ridiculous."

"The bottom line is I like Bush better as a person," Mr. Bangle said. "The president knows his strength. Visceral is a good word. At the end of the day, I have a strong sense of connection with this president."
And this:

"Bush doesn't let polls influence him," said Sandy Johnson, 45, who had just finished listening to Mr. Bush's victory speech on the radio in her home office in Carver County, Minn., which went overwhelmingly for Mr. Bush. "Even when he makes decisions that may not be popular, even on security, he does it in the best interest of the country and he does what he thinks is right. So in a way, all of that comes down to integrity."

Ms. Johnson said she grew tired of the accusations that Mr. Kerry had "flip-flopped." Still, she said, "I came away from this thinking that Kerry lacked integrity. I wasn't sure what he believed. He needs to be everything to everybody around the world. You cannot say that about Bush, even if you don't agree with him."
These are the kind of voters who swing presidential elections. You have to do more than win the public over on the issues. That may be enough for congressional elections, but at the presidential level, many people are looking for something else. They're looking for someone whom they perceive to have the right kind of character to lead the country, someone they like and trust, someone whom they respect and feel respects them.

And here's the kicker. As Bush proved, it's possible to win over these voters even when they disagree with you on most issues. And therein lies the key to winning presidential elections by the type of margin necessary to create a real mandate for change.

One of Obama's true political gifts is the ability to make people feel that he respects their views even when he disagrees with them. That's a good skill to have both as a presidential candidate and as a president.

Obama's rhetoric about transcending partisanship is not a sign of naivete; it's clearly strategic. Obama is intelligent enough and experienced enough to know that things like health care reform are not going to be passed without an intense and drawn out legislative battle. But he perceives--correctly I believe--that to win that battle (and others like it), he needs to build up political capital now. He needs not only to win, but to win big, and you're just not going to do that with an intensely partisan message. You have to be able to reach out to people who are open to your ideas but who see themselves as independents or even Republicans. That's obviously what Obama is trying to do, and I wish people like Krugman--who are smart enough to see the potential wisdom in following such a strategy--would stop pretending that it is simply the equivalent of mindless centrism. It's not.

UPDATE: This is from Obama's speech this morning:
That’s the kind of change that’s more than just rhetoric – that’s change you can believe in.

It’s change that won’t just come from more anger at Washington or turning up the heat on Republicans. There’s no shortage of anger and bluster and bitter partisanship out there. We don’t need more heat. We need more light. I’ve learned in my life that you can stand firm in your principles while still reaching out to those who might not always agree with you. And although the Republican operatives in Washington might not be interested in hearing what we have to say, I think Republican and independent voters outside of Washington are. That’s the once-in-a-generation opportunity we have in this election.

For the first time in a long time, we have the chance to build a new majority of not just Democrats, but Independents and Republicans who’ve lost faith in their Washington leaders but want to believe again – who desperately want something new.
I think this passage really encapsulates what I'm talking about. Broder-style "bipartisanship" is about having all the politicians sit down at a table and negotiating some split-the-baby "centrist" approach to all issues. What Obama is talking about, in large part, is reaching out to individual voters who are open to progressive ideas but, for whatever reason, identify themselves as independents or Republicans. The goal is to increase the coalition and build a mandate for change. And it's very hard to reach these voters if you are perceived to be intensely partisan. You have to cultivate a reputation for reasonability and independent-mindedness to be an effective presidential candidate and president. And that means engaging in strategic bipartisanship on certain issues and trying to build a reputation as someone who transcends petty partisanship. You don't have to compromise your ideals or sell out on policy goals; you just have to be a savvy campaigner and a legislator.
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Blogger Amos Anan said...

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Obama is a smart guy, a seasoned legislator, and a keen observer of the political process. He talks about transcending partisanship because he perceives--correctly I believe--that that's what much of the electorate, particularly the independents and swing voters who decide presidential elections, want to hear.
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Yeah. Obama's a real smart guy. He's telling the people what he thinks they want to hear. So if that crap should sound a lot like David Broder, don't pay any attention. He's Obama, not Broder and the same words that Broder uses don't have the same meaning (or complete lack thereof) if Obama says them.

God it's amazing the hoops you Obama supporters jump through to claim that he isn't a lying snake oil salesman, even as you say he's lying and selling snake oil but he really does have a bottle of stuff that cures all ills. He just can't describe it because people don't want to hear about that.

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As Bush proved, it's possible to win over these voters even when they disagree with you on most issues. And therein lies the key to winning presidential elections by the type of margin necessarily [sic] to create a real mandate for change.
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We're to understand that Bush's method of winning elections is one to be admired and copied and Obama is doing exactly that. Of course it's ignored that Bush lied repeatedly and profusely to win elections - to misrepresent what he would do and how he would act. Bush was the compassionate conservative that would bridge the gaps in America. As for winning by a wide margin, that is exactly the opposite of what Bush's election policy was, taking Rove's attitude that the smallest margin was a mandate for anything and a basis for encouraging national divisiveness. It was never a policy to unite a nation and perhaps that's Obama's true goal.

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One of Obama's true political gifts is the ability to make people feel that he respects their views even when he disagrees with them.
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That's usually called lip service. The problem is in determining when respectful disagreement means he won't do anything about your concerns even as he expresses "compassion" about them to you. This is admiring the skills of a con man and viewing them as acceptable for someone who will only do good. But good for whom?

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Obama's rhetoric about transcending partisanship is not a sign of naivete; it's clearly strategic.
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More plain description of a con man. He's not saying what is truly in his mind or his intent. He's saying what he thinks the people want to hear.

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Obama is intelligent enough and experienced enough to know that things like health care reform are not going to be passed without an intense and drawn out legislative battle. But he perceives--correctly I believe--that to win that battle (and others like it), he needs to build up political capital now. He needs not only to win, but to win big, and you're just not going to do that with an intensely partisan message.
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The problem with this argument is that it assumes that the other Democratic candidates are proposing some extreme forms of health care plans that are beyond consideration, where Obama's isn't. It's almost as if the other candidates are all proposing a single payer government run national health care system, which everyone that doesn't have a multi-million dollar personal monetary stake in the situation knows to be the best as well as the cheapest option. Of course this isn't the case and the other candidates for the most part are proposing compromise plans to avoid the onslaught of corporate antagonism that Clinton experienced in the '90s. Obama in contrast will split that difference between what are already compromise plans and the current unsustainable disaster that is America's health care and come up with a completely half assed plan. He just can't specify it too clearly.

I guess this compromise logic should also be considered the basis for his proposals to fix Social Security when such fixes have only represented attempts to destroy a government social program that is strongly supported by the people. In spite of the fact that financially Social Security is on much firmer ground than the nation as a whole, Obama will direct himself to fixing it while ignoring the massive economic problems America faces. Well, we're to assume he will fix those problems too, he just can't express any concerns along those lines because that might upset some people as too partisan. He has no problems expressing Republican talking point "concerns" about Social Security though.

There is a cult quality to what I see expressed here. People must take it on faith that Obama will do what they think needs to be done even as he expresses not merely a lack of interest in doing those things, but might even speak against them. You're saying Obama will do good but he can't say what good he'll do. That'd upset some people and lose important votes. You're saying Obama will say things he has no intention of considering, much less effecting, but that it's just to get people to support him for the big win.

Just look at his face. Listen to the sound of his voice (not the words) and believe. Have you no faith?

Thanks but I'll stay with Krugman and live in a fact based, what my eyes see and my ears hear, world.

10:23 AM  
Anonymous Casual Observer said...

AL wrote "I agree with those who say that the Democratic party needs to be more partisan, that it needs to be more willing to act like a party and present a more unified front in legislative battles."

I think that an emphasis on 'partisanship' misses the mark. "Identity" may be a more fundamental issue, which is what you are alluding to above I think? The Democrats have lost their identity. That, and they are very poorly led.

Before they can become successful partisans, they need to decide what they can and should be partisan about. As it stands now, their segmented internal power blocks, voting in different directions on most issues (it appears), only lead to diffusion of power and self-defeat. It would be comical, if it weren't so pathetically sad.

Add to their lack of political or philosophical consistency (across the party) the apparent fact that Democratic leadership has become disembedded from the desires of their electorate. They appear to have become isolated and buffered from reality. This allows them to ignore or discount the the few muffled complaints that do reach their ears as coming from "advocates" (aka "hotheads" "radicals" and the like).

We are constantly hearing how Democratic politicians need to grow spines, genetalia, need to become tougher, fight more, and so forth. But what is really needed, I think, is coherence. In other words, the label "Democrat" must come to mean something different than it does today--which is something akin to "pathetically ineffective."

10:48 AM  
Blogger Jay Ackroyd said...

You've lost me. Obama is getting a bum rap because he is speaking the language of compromise that swing voters want to hear. Your evidence in support of this is that Bush took strong, partisan and uncompromising positions that garnered him votes as a principled leader.

Krugman's point is that someone who expresses himself in strong, partisan and committed terms to issues that were marginally supported by swing voters in 2000 would find much more support among those voters today. He's saying that this an opportunity to shift the debate, and that Obama's tactical concerns for winning over swing voters (and, IMO, the beltway media) would blow that opportunity.

Personally, I don't see how Obama is all that much worse in this regard than Clinton is. It's irritating to see him trying to win brownie points with the Village, but not substantively different. Both would stay in Iraq indefinitely. Both will start the health care negotiations with themselves. Neither will take bold steps to reduce fossil fuel consumpation. And there's nothing either can do about the depth and length of the recession. That's now pretty much set.

11:29 AM  
Anonymous bystander said...

Obama tries to find people, both Democrats and Republicans, who actually care about a particular issue enough to try to get the policy right, and then he works with them.

This is one of the "first principles" of good community organization. And, as it is often pointed out, Obama's got those creds in spades. No argument. But, it doesn't constitute a vision, a goal, or a target. It's a good method. But it doesn't tell you anything about the end point. It's a means, not an end. A good means but, by no means, an end.

On the vision side, I tend to share Krugman's angst with Obama. Two thoughts. (1) Krugman's vision, or hope, for a Democratic president's accomplishments are different than Obama's. I have no idea whether Krugman's vision for health care is achievable, but it's clear that Obama has determined it isn't, and is campaigning accordingly. Personally, I am underwhelmed by Obama's approach to health care. And, it's unlikely he will be able to advance from his current position. It is more likely he will be obliged to retreat somewhat (or, a lot) by the nature of the game. As a result, I experience Obama as timid in this regard. (2) Left, Liberal, and Progressive don't carry a lot of meaning for me at this point. Neither does Conservative, Paleo-Conservative, and Neo-conservative. Nor does Democrat or Republican. So what the heck is Centrism? Where is the Overton Window centered? If the labels don't have any meaning, and you strip 'em off and look only at attributes, where are the American people? Damned if I know, but Krugman thinks they're in a different place than Obama does. My gut instinct tells me that the American people would be far more willing to see Obama pull the Overton Window to the left, and what Obama is offering stands on the right edge of where Krugman believes that window is.

As Bush proved, it's possible to win over these voters even when they disagree with you on most issues.

And, I think this recognition is the reason Krugman is profoundly disappointed, and believes Obama has capitulated too quickly. He's retreated before he's even engaged those with objections. He thereby sets the stage from whence he will have to retreat further because he will need to negotiate. Krugman seems to think there is a well-spring of support to be captured by a bold and energetic candidate who is willing to press in the same direction as FDR. I tend to think, appropriately framed, Krugman is correct. Speaking only for myself, I think Obama is going to leave money and political capital behind on the table. To me, he has already signaled an I'll settle for less strategy. It disappoints me beyond measure to see Obama go into a negotiating position giving the opponents of Universal Health Care 70% of what they already want. And, when opponents demand half of that difference in negotiation, Obama claims victory over 15%? Similar arguments could be made about Obama and Social Security. Krugman has made those, too.

Passionate support for a candidate is a wonderful thing. It's nice to be in a position where Democrats feel there are candidates to be passionate about. However, I'd rather see Democrats, and Democratic leaders, become passionate about policy. As others are beginning to mention, I'm beginning to see some striking similarities between Ron Paul supporters and Barack Obama supporters. I'm not finding that reassuring.

11:52 AM  
Anonymous Marlowe said...

What amos anan said. Obama is speaking in vague, uplifting generalities (when not cribbing from RNC talking points) and your defense is pay no attention to this because he is just giving Broder and independent voters what they want to hear. How inspiring. Well, he's certainly giving this lifelong Democratic voter no reason to vote for him. Unlike most bloggers, I feel the Democratic candidates are a bad lot from top to bottom: they are either too far right on the issues (all but Kucinich and, in part, Edwards) or lack any sort of leadership or inspiration qualities (all of them--several years of Obama's vapid uplift have convinced me that his talent is vapid uplift, not leadership). I'll take Edwards as the best of a poor lot.

11:56 AM  
Blogger A.L. said...

Amos:

I'm curious what you think a candidate should be saying and doing. You claim that Obama is the "lying snake oil salesman" because he uses pleasing rhetoric about transcending partisanship. That seems like real weak criticism to me.

Politicians have to use pleasing, uplifting rhetoric if they want to win. They have to sell their character as well as their policy positions. To ignore that reality is to stick your head in the sand.

That kind of rhetoric is totally unremarkable. It's not lying. We've had an administration in power for 8 years now that is willing to lie about almost everything, including issues as serious as the justification for war. That's real lying.

My point is only that it's possible to generate a (deserved) reputation as a reasonable, open-minded person who is willing to work across party lines without compromising liberal principles. That's what Obama's tried to do his entire career. He finds issues where bipartisan cooperation is possible (like, say, initiatives to promote transparency in government or non-proliferation efforts) and he works to get that legislation passed. He then cashes in on the relationships and trust he forged on those issues when it comes time for the big partisan fights over more controversial issues.

In other words, there is mindless Broder-style bipartisanship which values compromising principles and always seeking the "center." And there is the kind of smart, strategic bipartisanship that Obama has engaged in throughout his career. They're not the same thing.

12:44 PM  
Blogger A.L. said...

What amos anan said. Obama is speaking in vague, uplifting generalities (when not cribbing from RNC talking points) and your defense is pay no attention to this because he is just giving Broder and independent voters what they want to hear. How inspiring. Well, he's certainly giving this lifelong Democratic voter no reason to vote for him.

Again, very weak. If Obama was just speaking in vague generalities, you'd have a point. But he's got just as ambitious and detailed a policy agenda as anyone else and has given a number of very thoughtful and detailed policy speeches, just like everyone else on the Democratic side.

Every politician relies on stump speeches and commercials filled with pleasing generalities. Kucinich and Edwards are just as guilty of this. You can't just go up there are start reading policy treatises every day.

12:49 PM  
Blogger A.L. said...

We're to understand that Bush's method of winning elections is one to be admired and copied and Obama is doing exactly that. Of course it's ignored that Bush lied repeatedly and profusely to win elections - to misrepresent what he would do and how he would act. Bush was the compassionate conservative that would bridge the gaps in America. As for winning by a wide margin, that is exactly the opposite of what Bush's election policy was, taking Rove's attitude that the smallest margin was a mandate for anything and a basis for encouraging national divisiveness.

First of all, I didn't say Obama is emulating or should emulate Bush's overall strategy. I only pointed out that Bush's emphasis on transcending partisanship in 2000 worked for him. He got a lot more votes than he should have given that he was such an obvious dope and he was running against a much smarter, more qualified opponent in a time of prosperity.

Second, you're point about Rovian politics only proves my point. Bush, under Roves direction, chose to govern as an intense partisan and prior to 9/11 he was failing miserably. But for 9/11, he wouldn't have gotten a second term. He eeked out a second term after campaigning in the most divisive way possible--playing on security fears and attacking his opponent's character. During his second term, he has enjoyed historically low approval ratings, lost Congress, and accomplished nothing legislatively.

This proves my point.

1:00 PM  
Blogger A.L. said...

There is a cult quality to what I see expressed here. People must take it on faith that Obama will do what they think needs to be done even as he expresses not merely a lack of interest in doing those things, but might even speak against them. You're saying Obama will do good but he can't say what good he'll do. That'd upset some people and lose important votes. You're saying Obama will say things he has no intention of considering, much less effecting, but that it's just to get people to support him for the big win.

Ugh. This completely misses the point. Reagan was the most conservative Republican since Barry Goldwater to win the Republican nomination and everyone knew it. But he was able to present himself as a reasonable, optimistic person, as someone willing to work across the aisle and govern in a non-divisive way. And he ended up winning over a lot of independents and democrats, winning in a landslide both times.

I think that's what Obama is aiming for. If he wins the nomination, he'll be the most liberal person to do so in a long time. But he wants to package that liberalism in the form of a leader whom voters from across the spectrum like and admire (even if they don't agree with him about everything).

Obama isn't lying or hiding his agenda. He's given a number of very detailed policy speeches and offered various plans. So please stop pretending that he's only offering generalities or somehow hiding his true intentions.

1:11 PM  
Blogger Nathan said...

Tough crowd in here today, A.L. I've been making the same points in comment sections around the liberal blogosphere, and gotten much of the same response.

I think to start with let's kill this idea that Obama is all about "fluff" and "vapidity" and "broderism". This is based on very little evidence. There's the health care mandates.....and then there's the problem that Obama used the words "social security crisis" (in the service of raising taxes on rich people, but nobody every mentions that part).....and......not much else. On other issues like transparency in government and foreign policy, Obama comes out as more liberal than his fellow Democrats. What's more he has spent his life as a community organizer and civil rights lawyer. Who can beat him on that? If you read his speeches he proves his knowledge of the details of issues. If the people who yell "fluff!" would actually read Obama's proposals they might change their minds.

So if Obama's policies are not the problem, than what is the problem?

I basically think it comes down to this: many liberals really hate Republicans and don't want to hear anybody say anything nice about them. Republicans are dirt and the scum of the earth, and they should be wiped off the face of the political landscape. Anybody who thinks otherwise must not be a true liberal and cannot be trusted.

When talking about the big Republican politicians for the last 20 years, I'd agree with that prescription completely. But they are mostly on their way to irrelevancy anyway. Thats why it is essential to differentiate between them and the average reasonable Independent and Republican voters around the country, who are good people personally but are politically misguided. It is absolutely essential for us to have a president that can persuade reasonable Republicans that liberal policies are not evil communist plots. Edwards and Clinton's rhetoric and history will never do this, and thus they will fail to pass liberal policies.

All Obama is doing is saying to these people "I respect you, and I respect your viewpoints, but I disagree and here is why..." I have talked to many republicans who have a respect for Obama because of this and are willing to listen to what he says.

Isn't this a good thing? Apparently Krugman and many others here don't think so, which frustrates me to no end. They seem to think there is something dishonest in what Obama is doing. But I don't believe you can actually read what Obama is saying and come away with that impression. Obama's history proves he is a liberal, he says things that are liberal, but he does it in a way that is respectful to non-liberals and will win many of them over to our side. So tell me again what is wrong with that?

2:16 PM  
Blogger Nathan said...

Just thought of another way to explain things:

Say for argument's sake you have a scale of 1 to 100 where 1 is totally liberal and 100 is totally conservative.

For the last twenty years while conservatism has been ascendant, the "center" has been at 60. This is where the Clintons and Broderism operated. Any Democrat who was at a 45 was considered a "leftist".

Now things are shifting towards the Democrats. We have a chance to move the "center" back down under 50. Who would do a better job of this? Lets say Edwards is at a 30 and Obama is at a 35, but Edwards uses partisan rhetoric that makes the MSM and the public view the 30s as a leftist position. Meanwhile Obama's unity rhetoric makes 35 seem "centrist" and thus the way the MSM and the public view the center is moved to the left. So even if you think that Obama is to the right than Edwards (which is debatable but all grant it for arguments sake) I think Obama has a better chance of shifting the entire political axis to the left, just like Reagan did for conservatives, turning liberal positions into centrist positions, and getting them passed into law.

2:41 PM  
Anonymous bystander said...

Finding "center."

I assume most here have seen the US Primaries 2008 Grid put up by Political Compass.

Judging by the candidates positions as evaluated there, center is located in the middle of the Authoritarian Right. My own numbers put me in the closer to the Libertarian Left; just to the left of vertical center, and well below the horizontal center.

No wonder I'm disappointed.

Atrios has done his Shorter Candidates posts.

Republicans:

Huckabee - The honest choice. It's his party now. Would drive Villagers insane.

Giuliani - A bad Republican, a bad politician, and an awful person. Would make the worst possible president. Would make the Villagers happy.

McCain - Would make the Villagers squeal with pleasure.

Romney - No one lies like the Mittster lies. Another choice of the Villagers, though decreasingly so it seems. Spent a lot of Tagg's inheritance.

Thompson - who?

Paul - I'm no fan, but it'd be fun to see him at least do well in New Hampshire.

Democrats:

Obama: The system sucks, but I'm so awesome that it'll melt away before me.

Edwards: The system sucks, and we're gonna have to fight like hell to destroy it.

Clinton: The system sucks, and I know how to work within it more than anyone.

If Duncan's characterizations resonate for me on for 8 of the candidates, why would I hold his instincts suspect on the 9th?

Apparently, I'm much less inclined to ascribe Right Leanings to the Independents and former Reagan Democrats than Obama is.

3:38 PM  
Blogger A.L. said...

Nathan,

Well said.

Bystander,

Though I too am a big fan of Atrios, don't mistake snark for serious analysis.

Personally, I think the whole "theory of change" debate largely misses the point. The candidates all have similar policy views, particularly on things like health care. The primary determinant of change will be whether the nominee can win by a big margin and stay popular during his/her term. Pick the candidate you think has the best chance of doing those things. I think that person is Obama, but if you think it is someone else, vote for him/her.

3:50 PM  
Blogger Nathan said...

Bystander said:

"If Duncan's characterizations resonate for me on for 8 of the candidates, why would I hold his instincts suspect on the 9th?"

Dude, think for yourself. you sound like a freaking Limbaugh ditto-head or something.

Just because the liberal blogosphere is an overall improvement over the Village doesn't mean that they aren't also suseptable to inaccurate frames and group think as the Village are. You still have to think and do research on your own you know.

4:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So much for the politics of hope

Axelrod:
"(Clinton) was a strong supporter of the war in Iraq, which we would submit, was one of the reasons why we were diverted from Afghanistan, Pakistan and al-Qaeda, who may have been players in this event today, so that's a judgment she'll have to defend,"

Mike

5:56 PM  
Blogger kmblue said...

I agree with Krugman that Obama is being concilatory too soon.
If what got Bush elected (as AL suggests) is that "voters knew where Bush stood", why does Obama have to pull his punches?

3:58 AM  
Anonymous wmd said...

I like Obama. I can't support him due to problems with his staff, specifically regarding fundraising. I made a donation back in July and was suurprised to not be asked for my occupation and employer by the phone operative. I asked to and spoke with a supervisor who also claimed that they have no obligation to collect that information. I assured them that they did have to collect that information as far as I knew, that I'd donated to federal candidates numerous times in the past and always been asked for that information and I believed Federal Election laws did indeed require it. I was promised a follow up letter - never came. Next phone solicitation I said no more donations until they were following the law, and again spoke with supervisor about checking. I've since received 4 more fundraising calls, each time I ask if they need my occupation and employer and am told that they don't require that information.

Am I wrong here? My understanding is that occupation and employer information is required for reportable donations in order to see if corporations or possibly labor organizations are washing contributions through employees or members to circumvent contribution limits. And even small contributions often accumulate to reportable levels, although the response I got from Obama staffers was they didn't collect that information from any donor.

2:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see your candidate defends Axelrod's statement. I note that he spends more time attacking Clinton then he does Republicans and/or Republican policies. Well, as long as mouthing the right platitudes does it for you, he should clearly be your man.
Mike

5:02 PM  
Blogger A.L. said...

Well, as long as mouthing the right platitudes does it for you, he should clearly be your man.

Mike, get a grip. Obama has made a few unfortunate statements (like using the word "crisis" when talking about social security), but no more than any of the other candidates. In fact, all of the candidates have done a surprisingly good job of avoiding this trap. How quickly we forget that in the 1990s, by far the biggest offender of this rule was Bill Clinton. He adopted/co-opted all sorts of right wing talking points in order to portray himself as a "New Democrat." That was his whole schtick. He was head of DLC and the chief proponent of "third way" politics. He talked about ending the era of big government and keeping social security from going bankrupt, etc.

Obama's strategy is very different. He hasn't tried to build a record as a centrist (indeed, he would be the most traditionally liberal nominee in many many years). He does, however, try to appear reasonable by promising to be open-minded and and to respect those who disagree with him.

You may think that's annoying, but it's hardly the same thing as repeating right wing talking points. Obama is absolutely nothing like, say, Joe Lieberman and to suggest otherwise is just not supportable.

12:59 AM  
Anonymous neutral said...

Where does Krugman NOT go wrong?

1:40 PM  
Anonymous kmblue said...

A.L., the Democrats have been being reasonable for seven years, and look what it's gotten them. Exactly nothing.
Give me a fighter, not someone who is talking deals before a single vote has been cast.
The only people calling for bipartisanship are the Village People (i.e., Broder and Company) and that's because they know they're going to lose. We need a fighter, not a wimp.
In my opinion, Obama's a wimp.

3:13 PM  
Blogger kmblue said...

Great. Now Obama is talking about how he choose not to become a "trial lawyer". Right-wing talking points, anyone?

8:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Obama talks in vague generalities." == "I am too lazy to read any of the detailed policies Obama has published."

7:58 PM  
Anonymous talleyrand said...

I have to agree with AL. Like it or not, the Dems have only a slight lead in both houses of Congress, and it takes a supermajority to get any kind of important legislation passed. Moderate Republicans seem to like Obama, and he is the candidate who is the most likely to be able to persuade Republicans to vote for left of center positions.

5:39 PM  
Anonymous down under said...

This is where those of us living in countries with proportional representation get a feeling of deja vu. Coalition-building is essential to government here in NZ, and that's what Obama appears to be good at, as his track record attests to.

Perhaps Obama's critics have spent so long in an acrimonious two-party system, that they can't conceive of anything else?

And is Obama's popularity a sign that the non-voting half of America wants to see coalitions, not Crecy?

6:18 PM  
Anonymous The Fool said...

Anonymous Liberal:

I susually like your analysis but I can't agree with you on Obama.

Obama is a big overrated pussy. Krugman is right. Now is the time for the Democrats to finally get off their knees and fight back. Meanwhile Obama seems to want to make nice.

There are a lot of us who aren't ready to make nice. Making nice is what got us where we are today.

8:16 PM  
Blogger slag said...

ahem...Harry Reid.

6:51 PM  
Blogger farmhouselady said...

No, actually I suspected something worse - that you took the initial Obama loss so hard that you just fell down sick at heart AND COULDN'T GET UP! Just kidding... but I DID wonder, for a moment, if that event maybe knocked the wind out of you, temporarily. It was such a surprise to everyone. Anyhow, soldier on.... we will be here when you get back!

10:12 PM  
Anonymous Jake said...

More at Acropolis Review: http://acropolisreview.com/2008/01/john-edwards-for-president_18.html

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