A Pointless Exercise
Marc Ambinder reports:
A number of people seem to think this is a pretty compelling argument against Obama. For example, Taylor Marsh--after criticizing Shaheen's remark--writes:
It only got worse as the campaign dragged on. And that's not even counting the ads put out by the RNC, the Swift Boat Veterans, and other "independent" groups--nearly all of which were chocked full of demonstrable lies.
It's a pointless exercise to try to anticipate what past statements or other assorted trivia the Republicans will seize upon in the general election. If they don't find something to their liking during their oppo research, they'll just make stuff up. No Democratic candidate is more electable than any other in this regard.
Inexperience and Unelectability it is.And though the Clinton campaign later disassociated itself from his remarks, Clinton's New Hampshire campaign Chair, Billy Shaheen, suggested that Obama's admitted drug use as a youth could be a liability in the general election.
The Clinton campaign has settled on its final argument against Barack Obama, and is using two new national polls to kick start an aggressive campaign in the national media designed to raise questions about his competence and experience.
In a variety of conference calls over the next few days, in surrogate appearances, and in memos distributed to reporters, the campaign will directly challenge Obama on points of his resume, on past statements of his, on the details of his current policy plans, and on his campaign's pushback that it is Clinton who is not electable. By significant margins, Democrats believe that Clinton is the most electable Democrat and that she will win the nomination, and that she has the requisite experience to be president.
The Clinton campaign wants to spread the idea that Obama would be crushed in a general election by a Republican nominee who is more experienced and more glib than he is. They're prepared to question his credentials from Obama's right and left, pointing today, for example, to a 1996 report that he favored registering hand guns.
Campaign aides have said that Obama's support for retroactivity in drug sentences would kill him with tough-on-crime white independents. . . .
A number of people seem to think this is a pretty compelling argument against Obama. For example, Taylor Marsh--after criticizing Shaheen's remark--writes:
That said, who opened this door? Obama talked about using cocaine and did so openly and honestly. This wasn't an oppo dump. He served it up to inoculate himself, getting in front of it. Good for him.In my humble opinion, this is exactly the wrong way to approach the electability issue. When it comes to launching attacks in the general election, particularly on issues of policy, the Republican party does not feel even the slightest bit constrained by the factual record. By May of 2004, a full six months before the general election, the Bush/Cheney campaign (not counting its surrogates) had already pelted John Kerry with almost 50,000 negative ads. Among other things, these ads claimed that Kerry would repeal all of the Bush tax cuts, that he would raise taxes by $900 billion, that he would raise the gas tax by 50 cents per gallon, and that he opposed wiretapping terrorists. What do all these claims have in common? You guessed it; they were completely made up.
However, do you think for a second Republicans won't use it if Obama wins the nomination?
Reality check. Right now Obama's in the love zone; the critique free space of media euphoria. Do you think this will last come the general election? Have I.Q.s dropped significantly since 2004? In the euphoria of the 2006 Democratic juggernaut do people not remember what Republicans are capable of doing behind the scenes?
Get a grip.
Imagine Obama's answer to banning handguns when put on the wingnut spit of right-wing radio, Fox "News," Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, et al. Think of all those Republican front groups and what they'll do when they get a hold of this information. The illegal driver's license nugget will be another taste treat for the right-wing xenophobes. John Edwards knows how the general election works and dodged that bullet in the debate. And the "values" coalition will run amok over the cocaine revelation, regardless of whether some of us believe honesty is the best policy, especially if you're of a generation who has used recreational drugs, myself included. But do you believe Republicans won't serve it up in the general?
It only got worse as the campaign dragged on. And that's not even counting the ads put out by the RNC, the Swift Boat Veterans, and other "independent" groups--nearly all of which were chocked full of demonstrable lies.
It's a pointless exercise to try to anticipate what past statements or other assorted trivia the Republicans will seize upon in the general election. If they don't find something to their liking during their oppo research, they'll just make stuff up. No Democratic candidate is more electable than any other in this regard.



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I agree, however, I would hope Democrats have moved beyond reacting like Kerry's campaign did in the last election by ignoring the accusation altogether, hoping it would go away. If an accusation about drug use is true, however, I do believe it will be a liability. Republicans will be all over it and denial isn't an option for Obama now.
You're exactly right about the foolishness of trying to triangulate on "electability," but that principle applies across the board.
I had a conversation with someone who insisted that congressional Democrats have to give in to Bush on funding the Iraq occupation because if they don't, the GOP will paint them as weak on national security.
I asked them to imagine a scenario under with the Republicans would not paint the Democrats as weak on national security.
No matter what the Democrats do, no matter what they say, no matter how often they roll over and give Bush exactly what he wants, the Republicans will label them as weak on national security. If they have no factual basis for the claim, they'll just make one up.
It will be the same in the general election no matter who the Democratic nominee is. I mean, has Hillary not heard the Huma Abedin/lesbian affair rumors surging through the wingnutosphere? They're pushing that one like a drug dealer pushes meth. This is proof positive of the Republicans' willingness to leave no aspersion uncast in pursuit of their goals, regardless of the facts. And if the lesbian thing doesn't get any traction, they'll start spreading a rumor that she drinks the blood of human babies.
As you point out, it is the same with this "electability" meme that Hillary is unleashing against Obama. Of course, they'll try to use his cocaine admission against him. But they would do that, or something like it, no matter what the truth was. In 2004, then-House Majority Leader Dennis Hastert implied on national television that progressive billionaire George Soros' wealth came from drug trafficking. It was a complete fabrication. But once he said it, it was out there and was able to bounce around in the right-wing echo chamber, and that was the whole point. This is what the Republicans do. They have refined character assasination to an art form because they have no other way to make a case for themselves. They can't say, "vote for us because we govern better." That would be a self-evident lie. So, they smear their opponents.
The odd thing about this tactic on Hillary's part is that it operates on the assumption that her negatives are already so high that there isn't anything else that the Republicans can throw at her.
More people already hate my guts than hate his guts, so nominate me! I'm smear-proof!
Except she is not smear-proof, and she should be smart enough to know better.
But Hillary is desperate, and desperate people do illogical things sometimes.
And of course, there is the fact that, if you nominate and vote for people on the basis of "electability" -- you get people whose ability lies in getting elected, not in running the Executive Department.
It may be the parties' be-all and end-all, but for the more independent voter, election is only the beginning.
And that's not even counting the ads put out by...the Swift Boat Veterans...nearly all of which were chocked full of demonstrable lies.
Facts not in evidence.
Demonstrate ONE.
I follow the redical belief that the democratic party should nominate the candidate IT wants to be president. The party should then offer that candidate in the general election. Let the chips fall where they may.
And, speaking as one of the 'independent white males' cited, Hillary is the least attractive candidate on the Democratic side, imo.
"....Republican party does feel even the slightest bit constrained..."
I think you anonymously and inadvertently left out the word "NOT".
"And that's not even counting the ads put out by...the Swift Boat Veterans...nearly all of which were chocked full of demonstrable lies.
Facts not in evidence.
Demonstrate ONE."
For starters, the one about the Republicans believing that troops deserve unconditional support. Even if you don't like Kerry, attacking his service record and the conditions under which he won his medals means opening up every other soldier who ever won a similar medal in combat to the same kind of scrutiny. Republicans have said over and over again that that sort of thing is unpatriotic, but openly supported the Swift Boat movement.
There were hundreds of ways to attack Kerry without attacking his military record. The Republicans chose not to.
For starters, the one about the Republicans believing that troops deserve unconditional support.
Typically non-responsive and evasive but, as long as bring it up, "unconditional support" doesn't mean turning a blind eye towards an opportunistic gaming of the military awards system and the wholesale slander of a generation of this nation's soldiers for political gain. Kerry is a proven liar/embellisher...establishing the degree will be done by historians.
...attacking his service record and the conditions under which he won his medals means opening up every other soldier who ever won a similar medal in combat to the same kind of scrutiny.
When an individual presents his "military record" as being foundational in his fitness for the highest elected office or trumpets those awards for some personal gain or cause, it is ABSURD to argue that an examination of those records is inappropriate when strong evidence exists suggesting that a willful manipulation of the awards system might have occurred.
By their weasel words shall ye know them: "strong evidence exists suggesting that a willful manipulation of the awards system might have occurred"
So let me get this straight: "Strong evidence exists" Ok, that would be eye-witness, or incontrovertible circumstantial, right? But wait! then there's "suggesting" -- hold on, you said strong, but now it just "suggests"? and then we go for the big finish: "might have occurred".
Oh, and of course, the evidence was hearsay, or a guy who said he was the doctor who treated Kerry -- only it turns out he wasn't. In short, lies.
Sorry, Argus, it's REALLY hard to take anyone who seriously who defends the miserable antics of the "Swift Boat Veterans" lie 'n smear campaign. It was, without a doubt, the absolute nadir of a Presidential campaign in recent memory, & you've just made A.L.'s point by defending it. All but the most fervent winguts let that one die, huge embarrassment to a party that likes to portray itself as the high road alternative & guardians of American "values" as it was. (Except that anyone who's been paying attention knows that the exact opposite is true.)
Truly astounding, that ~ the level of pettiness, inanity, ugliness & stupidity the GOP has descended to in its pursuit of Rovian dumpster-diving politix, & all indications so far bode more of the same ahead.
Seems to me Obama has to know, when he pre-emptively admitted drug use that he'll be attacked, & it will be interesting to see what he does in response if he gets that far. More to the point, I see Hillary getting obsessed with fear that Obama's too close in the race, & while the two distract themselves with elbows & quibbles, other Dems may zoom around them them & pull ahead.
I still think this race is going to be too close to call until the very last moment. I myself am not completely decided.
What bothers me is the passivity with which Democrats worry about what Republicans will say. How about just fighting back once in a while with something that says, "This is what Republcans do. They lie about everything. (X, Y and Z, for example.) Are these the kind of people you want running the country?"
The more they say, the easier it should be to destroy them.
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