More Faulty Tax Logic
In a post at the The Corner, David Freddoso comments on an article about labor shortages in Denmark:
Supply-siders posit that tax rates have a significant effect on productivity, i.e., that if you lower taxes and allow people to keep a greater percentage of what they earn, they will be motivated to work harder, which will lead to greater productivity and economic growth. This is no doubt true at some level. If, for instance, you were to reduce income tax rates dramatically--say, from 99% to 50%--that undoubtedly would have such an effect. But it is highly questionable whether marginal decreases in more reasonable rates have the same effect.
But this is all beside the point. What's going on in Denmark is much simpler. As citizens of the European Union, Danes are free to live and work in other E.U. countries, many of which have significantly lower tax rates. As a result, many Danes are choosing to live and work in other countries. It's as simple as that. The same thing would happen in the U.S. if the taxation rate varied dramatically from state to state.
The fact that many people would rather live somewhere with lower tax rates says absolutely nothing about the question central to supply-side theory, i.e., whether people work harder when their tax rates are lower. Are Danes in Denmark less productive than Danes in Germany? Who knows? The article doesn't say. What would productively be like if every country in the E.U. adopted the Danish system? Again, who knows. But these are the relevant questions.
Supply Side 101: Denmark's high marginal income tax rate discourages Danes from working — at least from working in Denmark. Now Denmark faces a severe skilled-labor shortage and a shrinking native population (a trend masked by the arrival of many unskilled immigrant workers)This is a perfect example of the tendency among supply-siders to cite completely irrelevant data as evidence of the validity of their economic theories. The phenomenon described in the article--educated Danes fleeing to other European countries to work--has nothing whatsoever to do with supply-side economics.
Supply-siders posit that tax rates have a significant effect on productivity, i.e., that if you lower taxes and allow people to keep a greater percentage of what they earn, they will be motivated to work harder, which will lead to greater productivity and economic growth. This is no doubt true at some level. If, for instance, you were to reduce income tax rates dramatically--say, from 99% to 50%--that undoubtedly would have such an effect. But it is highly questionable whether marginal decreases in more reasonable rates have the same effect.
But this is all beside the point. What's going on in Denmark is much simpler. As citizens of the European Union, Danes are free to live and work in other E.U. countries, many of which have significantly lower tax rates. As a result, many Danes are choosing to live and work in other countries. It's as simple as that. The same thing would happen in the U.S. if the taxation rate varied dramatically from state to state.
The fact that many people would rather live somewhere with lower tax rates says absolutely nothing about the question central to supply-side theory, i.e., whether people work harder when their tax rates are lower. Are Danes in Denmark less productive than Danes in Germany? Who knows? The article doesn't say. What would productively be like if every country in the E.U. adopted the Danish system? Again, who knows. But these are the relevant questions.
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When I saw this item this morning, I wondered how long it would be before the supply-siders jumped on it to "prove" that they are right about tax policy.
I didn't have time to look for reactions, so I'm glad you made this catch, in addition to using simple logic (imagine that) to demonstrate why there is no there there in terms of causality.
I've worked with a number of Danes, all outside Denmark. In all cases, it had nothing to do with taxes, rather with issues like weather and long winter darkness.
This is a great example of the confusion between correlation and causation.
And we find that, in America, the rich move to low tax jurisdictions (FL, TX) when they retire so that their deferred compensation can be taxed at lower rates. As you note, that has nothing to do with being discouraged from working and everything to do with the ability to move.
The same nonsense is behind the conservative citation of Ireland for the proposition that lower corp taxes lead to more revenue. Their thesis - that businesses shift into overdrive - is totally divorced from reality, which is that more corps from other EU states relocate to the lower tax jurisdiction. Nothing to do with increased activity, everything to do with lateral shifts of already-existing activity.
... if you lower taxes and allow people to keep a greater percentage of what they earn, they will be motivated to work harder ...
I beg to differ. If tax rates are lowered, I get a raise because of politics, not some work I've done. This should encourage political lobbying over hard work, since it's politics that got rewarded.
Only a liberal would consider 63% a "reasonable rate"
As citizens of the European Union, Danes are free to live and work in other E.U. countries, many of which have significantly lower tax rates. As a result, many Danes are choosing to live and work in other countries. It's as simple as that. The same thing would happen in the U.S. if the taxation rate varied dramatically from state to state.
So let me get this straight, Danes moving to other countries with lower tax rates isn't proof of anything because, well, you can't really say.
It's just sort of all an accident.
Also, I love how you left this part out of your little fairy tale,
"When you are at 63 percent tax, you don't look forward to the evaluation with the boss to get a raise," Sorensen said. "You look for more vacation or a training course in the tropics - something that you get the full benefit of."
"Are Danes in Denmark less productive than Danes in Germany?"
Apparently they are--there is now a shortage of skilled labor in Denmark.
"And we find that, in America, the rich move to low tax jurisdictions (FL, TX) when they retire so that their deferred compensation can be taxed at lower rates."
I believe that's inocrrect--at least in the case of IRA's, I know it's incorrect. I earned in California all the money that is now in my IRA accounts. No matter where I live, California will demand--and get--the tax due on that money when it is withdrawn.
The fact that one gets a "raise" because of "politics" tells us nothing at all about whether, having got that raise, the taxpayer has an incentive to do more because he now knows he can keep more. He may or he may not, but what we know of human nature tells us that some people will.
I don't think that the evidence from Denmark tells us nothing at all about the validity of supply-side theory. It doesn't tell us a great deal, but it does confirm the fundamental notion that lower taxation encourages work. I believe that notion is subsumed within the obvious truth that, given a choice of a higher or lower tax rate, sensible people will opt for the latter.
So let me get this straight, Danes moving to other countries with lower tax rates isn't proof of anything because, well, you can't really say.
It's just sort of all an accident.
Huh? Did you even read my post? I don't question that fact that, given a choice, many people will choose to live somewhere with lower tax rates. That's the whole point. Obviously, all things being equal, people prefer to pay lower taxes. This has nothing whatsoever to do with supply-side economics, however.
If the taxation rates in Germany and the other E.U. countries were similar to Denmark's, Denmark wouldn't be experiencing a labor shortage. In other words, this phenomenon has nothing to do with the absolute tax rate and everything to do with the relative tax rate.
As for the 63% figure, I too think that is excessive. I only used the term "more reasonable" in relation to my 99% hypothetical. I think it is entirely possible that if Denmark lowered its tax rates, it would see some modest increase in productivity, but that's neither here nor there. My point was that their labor shortage entirely attributable to competition from other E.U. members, not supply-side economics.
"Are Danes in Denmark less productive than Danes in Germany?"
Apparently they are--there is now a shortage of skilled labor in Denmark.
Neutral, that doesn't follow. A labor shortage just means there are not enough workers, not that Danish workers are less productive than their counterparts in other countries.
I don't think that the evidence from Denmark tells us nothing at all about the validity of supply-side theory. It doesn't tell us a great deal, but it does confirm the fundamental notion that lower taxation encourages work. I believe that notion is subsumed within the obvious truth that, given a choice of a higher or lower tax rate, sensible people will opt for the latter.
Neutral, this is pretty weak logic. How does a worker leaving Denmark for Germany "confirm the fundamental notion that lower taxation encourages work." If you mean that lower taxation encourages relocation from higher tax regions/countries, I agree. But again that has nothing at all to do with supply-side economics. If you mean to suggest that this relocation phenomenon confirms that people who are taxed less work harder, you're wrong. What evidence is there in this article that Danes in Germany work harder than their countrymen back home? None. They may be happier, because they can keep more of their money, but there's no evidence that they are more productive, which is the premise upon which supply-side theory is based.
Indeed, I've always found this premise dubious even in theory. Maybe being allowed to keep more of your income encourages some people to work harder, but couldn't it just as easily encourage people to be less productive? If taxes are lowered, I can make the same amount of money by working less. That might encourage me to take more time off or work less hours. Moreover, a whole lot of people have jobs that pay the same no matter how hard they work (most salaried jobs, for instance). For those people, tax rate changes will neither discourage nor encourage them to work harder because doing so wouldn't effect their pay anyway.
"If you mean that lower taxation encourages relocation from higher tax regions/countries, I agree."
That's all I mean, and I concede that it doesn't prove a great deal. It is simply consistent with, though not probative of, supply-side theory.
"A labor shortage just means there are not enough workers, not that Danish workers are less productive than their counterparts in other countries."
You omitted to say which kinds of workers are in short supply. In fact, those in short supply are those who are classified as "skilled." And productivity doesn't exactly connote "working harder," it means applying oneself more diligently and efficiently in the pursuit of one's own self-interest. If I can devise a better mousetrap that will enable me to lounge around drinking mint juleps--which is pretty much what I do--I will do it, even it it doesn't take much time or energy. But if you're going to take 63% of what the mousetrap may bring me, I think I'll settle for the mint juleps in a plastic lawn chair instead of an elegant chaise longue attended by bare-breasted palm-frond-waving sweeties. And the world will have to do without the better mousetrap.
Excuse me, but I can't just let this nonsense pass. "More productive" means producing more for less cost. It doesn't have anything to do with self-interest, as has been amply shown in the ramp-up of American productivity while wages have stalled over the last several years.
Automation and Human Resources departments have been the primary drivers behind productivity increases, not any motivation on the part of workers.
Nonsense should never be allowed to pass anywhere.
"'More productive' means producing more for less cost." That's generally the principal attribute of those we designate as "skilled" as opposed to "unskilled."
For those in the slow reading group, let us translate as follows: "In Denmark there is a shortage of those who produce more for less cost."
Perhaps C2h has perfected the "skill" of producing less at a higher cost. Let him sell that skill where he can. Maybe in present-day Denmark...
And Neutral adopts the "Humpty-Dumpty" method of argument. Rather than use the definition "Skilled labor" has in this context, he redefines the term to mean what he wants.
It's one of the things that make his comments amusing.
Sorry, Neutral, I'm not "skilled" (meaning, for the impaired, that I'm not trained as a mechanic, electrician, or machinist) -- I'm what is referred to as a "knowledge worker". I could go anywhere there are research positions in my field -- but I prefer to stay in my high-tax state, since that's where the interesting jobs are.
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