Universal Health Care and Innovation
I'm a little late to this debate, but a number of people have used this thoughtful Jonathan Cohn article as a springboard to discuss the relationship between universal health care and medical innovation. Opponents of universal health care routinely assert that any move toward universality will stifle medical innovation by reducing the profit incentives that currently drive the private sector to develop new treatments and new drugs. As Cohn explains in his article, the factors that drive innovation are much more complex than opponents of universal health care would have you believe. Cohn concludes, correctly I believe, that "[y]ou don't have to choose between universal access and innovation. It's possible to have both--as long as you do it right."
Matt Yglesias goes a little further and observes:
Medicare provides the perfect example of this divergence. Under our system, decisions regarding what services, procedures, and medical technology Medicare will cover--and what the reimbursement rates will be--are made by the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS). If you invent a new treatment or technology that is used primarily to treat elderly patients, the profitability of that invention will depend in large part on whether CMS decides to cover it and at what rate. Up until 2003, however, Medicare did not pay for drugs. And now, under Medicare Part D, the government pays for drugs, but through an elaborate statutory scheme that prevents CMS from having any say over what drugs are covered or how much the government will pay for them. And even under Medicaid, various elaborate statutory schemes limit the government's ability to arbitrarily set drug prices.
Though I happen to think many of these laws are poorly designed (particularly Medicare Part D), their very existence demonstrates that you can provide universal coverage, even single-payer coverage, without empowering the government to set prices or make coverage decisions. In other words, there is no necessary relationship between universal health care and medical industry profit incentives, and therefore no necessary relationship between universal health care and innovation.
Moreover, as Yglesias points out:
And one final point. It would be relatively easy to keep track of the amount of private sector money being spent on research and development. And if health care reforms were to result in a noticeable drop in such spending, there are any number of steps that could be taken to boost incentives for innovation. Patent laws could be tweaked. Public research grants could be increased. And the laws could be changed to further limit the government's ability to bargain and set prices (we have many such laws on the books now). In other words, worrying about innovation at this point puts the cart WAY before the horse. Making sure everyone has access to basic health care should be our top priority. There's no compelling reason to believe that doing so would harm incentives to innovate. And even if it did, there are plenty of ways to fix that problem and boost such incentives, if necessary. Having a vast swath of the population uninsured is not a necessary tradeoff for having robust medical innovation.
Matt Yglesias goes a little further and observes:
May I note that I don't entirely understand this controversy? It often seems to me to take place in a hypothetical world in which we not only have a universal health care system, but we've also banned out-of-pocket medical expenditures, which I don't think anyone is proposing we do. Insofar as there might be some projects that aren't worth doing at the price the UHC system is prepared to pay, you could just try to get people to pay out of pocket for it. If the innovation's so great, why won't those with money be willing to pay for it? Obviously, the poor won't be able to afford it, but they're no worse off than they are today as un- or under-insured patients.This argument provoked a cautionary response from Kevin Drum:
And of course if a significant quantity of medical innovations are coming onto the market that are inducing the rich and upper-middle class patients to pay out of pocket for these innovative treatments (thus signaling that the UHC system's budget has been set at a level that's too low to afford many newish useful technologies) then that'll create the political momentum for boosting the system's funding.
That seems true, but again we're faced with the empirical question of whether it really is true. Would there be enough rich people willing to go outside the system to provide the same returns for innovation that our current system provides? There's no way to know except by adopting UHC in America, waiting a few decades, and finding out.After acknowledging some of the obstacles to conducting this type of study, Kevin concludes:
Or maybe not. It seems to me that there's some scope here for a natural experiment. There's one specific demographic that has been covered by UHC both in Europe and the United States for the past four decades: elderly people. So here's the experiment: identify various areas of medicine, identify the extent to which they serve patients over the age of 65, and then create some metric to identify the rate of innovation in these areas. If UHC stifles innovation, then you'd expect that the more a particular medical specialty targets the elderly (and is therefore funded solely by UHC), the less innovative it's been over the past 40 years. And if a particular specialty exclusively targets those over 65, you'd expect progress to be almost nil.
Still, there's considerable scope for some very useful research here, no? I'd venture to guess that most Alzheimer's therapies worldwide, for example, are paid for by UHC. Ditto for hip replacements and cataract surgeries. So how much innovation has there been in those areas, and how does it compare to innovation in, say, antibiotics or statins that are used by patients of all ages?These are all good points, and I agree that this type of analysis would be useful for policy-making. But it seems to me that Cohn, Yglesias, and Drum are all conflating, to some extent, two very different areas of medical innovation. On the one hand, there is pharmaceutical innovation, and on the other there is innovation of medical techniques, procedures, and technology. Though there isn't much theoretical difference between these forms of innovation, most health care systems--including our own--pay for them in very different ways, which creates very different incentive structures.
Medicare provides the perfect example of this divergence. Under our system, decisions regarding what services, procedures, and medical technology Medicare will cover--and what the reimbursement rates will be--are made by the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS). If you invent a new treatment or technology that is used primarily to treat elderly patients, the profitability of that invention will depend in large part on whether CMS decides to cover it and at what rate. Up until 2003, however, Medicare did not pay for drugs. And now, under Medicare Part D, the government pays for drugs, but through an elaborate statutory scheme that prevents CMS from having any say over what drugs are covered or how much the government will pay for them. And even under Medicaid, various elaborate statutory schemes limit the government's ability to arbitrarily set drug prices.
Though I happen to think many of these laws are poorly designed (particularly Medicare Part D), their very existence demonstrates that you can provide universal coverage, even single-payer coverage, without empowering the government to set prices or make coverage decisions. In other words, there is no necessary relationship between universal health care and medical industry profit incentives, and therefore no necessary relationship between universal health care and innovation.
Moreover, as Yglesias points out:
The arguments from innovation don't seem to me to be arguments properly directed at the universal health care proposals that are actually being put on the table. Instead, they seem to be arguments against hard price controls and bans on private insurance or out-of-pocket medical spending.As I said, I don't think there is any necessary relationship between even single-payer health care and medical innovation. But that's really an academic discussion, because no one (save Dennis Kucinich) is even proposing that we adopt a single-payer system, much less a full-on socialized system like the NHS. The proposals currently on the table are largely patchwork systems that would attempt to provide coverage for the uninsured without upending our current system. It is very difficult to see how proposals such as those endorsed by Clinton, Obama, and Edwards, could possibly affect the underlying business incentives driving medical innovation.
And one final point. It would be relatively easy to keep track of the amount of private sector money being spent on research and development. And if health care reforms were to result in a noticeable drop in such spending, there are any number of steps that could be taken to boost incentives for innovation. Patent laws could be tweaked. Public research grants could be increased. And the laws could be changed to further limit the government's ability to bargain and set prices (we have many such laws on the books now). In other words, worrying about innovation at this point puts the cart WAY before the horse. Making sure everyone has access to basic health care should be our top priority. There's no compelling reason to believe that doing so would harm incentives to innovate. And even if it did, there are plenty of ways to fix that problem and boost such incentives, if necessary. Having a vast swath of the population uninsured is not a necessary tradeoff for having robust medical innovation.



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It sounds like we both agree that the key to continued innovation is the ability for providers of novel healthcare goods and services to make a decent profit. In order to make that profit, the providers need two things:
1) They need insurers to cover their innovation.
2) They need insurers to reimburse at a price that is profitable.
Now, the way this works when you have lots of insurers is that providers can shop their goods and services to various insurers looking for a good deal. If one insurer won't cover the item, or won't cover it at a reasonable price, the odds are that some other insurer will be willing to cover it, perhaps in some slightly more bizarre insurance product. And, if no insurer will cover the item, perhaps there's a big enough out-of-pocket market to make the item profitable.
So diversity seems to be essential. This not only requires that private insurers are permissible in the brave new world, but that they retain enough economic clout to provide viable alternative channels for the profitable delivery of goods and services. I worry much more about the "clout" side of this argument than I do about the "permissibility" side. If the government payer captures 75% of the insurable market, the other insurers just aren't going to be able to compete. Then you've got a de facto single-payer system, where providers are at the mercy of one buyer. That won't end well.
Personally, rather than concentrating on the public/private side of the debate, I'd rather see a set of reforms that did the following:
1) Force all insurance plans to guarantee acceptance, so that they pool the risk of all potential subscribers and can't cherry-pick the young, healthy ones. This is a basic fairness issue.
2) Have a reasonable policy for how much to subsidize low-income households so they can afford one of the plans. This is ultimately a government spending and taxation issue.
3) Find ways to separate the insurance market into a routine care sector and a catastrophic care sector. The assumption here is that the need for catastrophic care is a genuinely unforeseen--and therefore insurable--event with a decent actuarial model. Meanwhile, routine care is more an exercise in bundling, at a reasonable price, goods and services that you know you're going to consume--something that insurance can't really do.
Note that when you convert routine care from an insurance problem to a bundling problem, you can wind up with an incredibly diverse set of products and still allow subscribers not to worry too much if they choose the wrong bundle. For example, a young, middle-income family might want to choose a pediatric care bundle with a high-deductible, backing catastrophic policy. Alternatively, a low-income family may want nothing but the most basic of routine care but may need a low-deductible catastrophic policy.
The nice thing about this kind of diversity is that, because you're paying for your own routine care (even if those payments are subsidized), there will be serious downward pressure on the cost of that care. Also note that it nicely separates the insurability, subsidization, and cost-containment issues.
If the government payer captures 75% of the insurable market, the other insurers just aren't going to be able to compete. Then you've got a de facto single-payer system, where providers are at the mercy of one buyer. That won't end well.
Not necessarily. What you describe is already true in this country for people over 65. Medicare is de facto single-payer system for that age group. And I see little evidence that having a single price-setter leads to disastrous results. There is still plenty of innovation for this demographic and plenty of providers.
And the reality is that even in the private insurance market, there is very little difference between what various insurance providers are willing to cover. They generally move in lockstep based on the prevailing medical consensus, which is what CMS does as well.
Moreover, as I pointed out, you can set up what is essentially a single-payer system without imposing centralized price controls or coverage decision-making. That's what Medicare Part D is. The two aren't necessarily related.
And as far as the proposals that are actually on the table go, there's very little reason to think they would reduce profitability in an significant way.
I wonder how much profit is made in the under-65 patient market for drugs and services that also apply to geriatrics? Certainly all the cardiac and cancer stuff has big markets in younger patients.
Given that everybody's pretty much recognizing the same services, how much variability is there in the negotiated rates across various insurers?
Finally, a poke at your Part D argument: Each Prescription Drug Plan provider designs and markets their own drug formulary, and they're doing their own marketing to subscribers. If that's your definition of a single-payer plan, I'll stop squawking. But Part D looks a lot more like a plain old-fashioned subsidy to me.
Which leads me nicely back to the last part of my previous comment: It's a lot easier to discuss all this stuff when you don't conflate insurance, service bundling, price negotiation, and subsidy together. Government is clearly the only vehicle to provide subsidy. Beyond that, I remain skeptical.
Does anyone else find it disturbing that it is apparently taken completely for granted that "innovation" takes place only for the desire of getting wealthy?
Like any of the people who made the big discoveries in medicine over the last several hundred years became obscenely wealthy thereby.
I've been waiting for someone else to weigh in on this, but apparently the rest of the readers have blithely accepted the premise that money, and only money, is the measure of what's worthwhile and what isn't.
Oh, and just to preclude some of the replies: I understand the economics of bringing new products to market. It doesn't happen without funding. Research doesn't happen without funding either, but the greed that pervades the pharmaceutical industry produces quite as many problems as it solves:
1. Orphan drugs, which cannot be patented, and are not available because they aren't profitable, although they are effective, safe, and cheap.
2. Orphan diseases, which no drug company will attack because there isn't enough of a market -- this is one of the reasons we don't see new antibiotics as often as doctors might wish.
3. Drugs being foisted upon the public which are either harmful or of doubtful utility, but which are over-aggressively marketed. This is one of the reasons we need new antibiotics.
c2h--
Does everybody who works in research do so because they want to get wealthy? No. About 35% of medical research is done with federal or philanthropic funding. It's probably fair to say that the majority of people working in those fields are doing it for prestige, or a better position, or just because they think it's really cool. Of course, some of them are hoping to find something that they can spin off into the private sector and make a bunch of money.
For the other 65%, corporations are funding it and they obviously have a fiduciary responsibility to get a return on investment. So I agree with you, sorta: wealth is not the only motivator behind medical innovation. It's merely the predominant one.
Now, when you talk about bringing medical products to market, the motivation is 100% profit-based. This doesn't mean that producers are solely interested in money, but it does mean that they're interested in having a self-sustaining business that can attract additional funding so they can produce new and better products. (And yeah, some of them also want to get filthy rich. The two motives aren't mutually exclusive.)
As for orphan drugs and diseases, the main reason why these treatments exist is because the government has provided a profit motive (through tax breaks and exclusivity) for companies to bring treatments to market. Doesn't this kinda prove the point that the profit motive is predominant? If the tax breaks and exclusivity weren't provided, do you think these products would be developed?
I agree with the author. This is mutually abusive to the process. Health care and advances are created by a society that wants them. Upon citizens having universal health care, we will then demand more research and expenditure on health care. Arguments for an against, and how and why do not relate to predictable situation upon the citizenry having their government work for them for the first time since the depression.
If you understand what it is like standing as the flood comes at you, you may be able to understand what all these little politicos and insurance people will feel like when the wall joins with them to create a hybrid of blood and stone. The wall will win.
Moderate,
If you are talking about "bringing a treatment to market" then you have already assumed the profit motive. I'm sure it escapes you that the argument is circular, but it is.
Researchers don't do research "to get filthy rich". If that's the aim, then research is one of the least-effective methods to achieve it.
Do not confuse "innovation" with "bringing to market", because the end result of that confusion is a multitude of worthless products, distinguished by brand name and color.
I have no faith in statistics unless I know the methods used to procure them. For example, I know a very large fortune 500 company which, in order to bolster its research spending, simply reclassified marketing as "research", thereby magically doubling its percentage of research spending. I wonder how much of your "65 percent" is marketing?
I have no problem with profit motives. When they are the only motives considered, I think there's a problem.
c2h--
I suspect that your definition of "bringing a treatment to market" and mine are quite different. Especially for drugs, between where basic research leaves off, to where something is produced that will actually benefit patients, lies a huge gulf that includes compound discovery (since the compound discovered by the researcher--if one was discovered at all--has toxic side effects most of the time), efficacy, dosage, and toxicity studies, engineering of delivery systems (only small molecules are absorbable by the human gut), endless trials, FDA documentation and approval, manufacturing design, and finally, yes, marketing to doctors (including usage training) and patients. Almost all of that enormous investment is based on making a profit. Researchers don't do this work--corporations do. And they do it for profit.
Please note that I'm not trying to denigrate what researchers do. There are literally no products without the basic research, which is done by a host of dedicated scientists. But if you think that any of the drugs, medical devices, and procedures that make up modern medicine weren't produced by somebody with a profit motive, you need to do a little research yourself.
As for why people do what they do--I don't pretend to know, and I'm not sure it matters that much. I work in high tech and I know why I do what I do. It's fun, it's challenging, I get recognized for my accomplishments, and it pays pretty well. I'm not an entrepreneur. I'm a small fish working for a corporation. But my employer produces products that arguably provide great benefit to humanity. If it didn't, I wouldn't get paid and I'd have to do something else for a living. That sounds like a profit motive--for both me and my employer. I suspect that it's the same for most scientists and engineers, inside and outside the medical field.
Moderate,
Three things:
1. Aspirin is one of the most potent and useful compounds in modern medicine. How does that fit with your theory about the terrible expense of drug development?
2. The modern FDA is largely a creation of the industry (which, through its lobbyists has participated and in some cases actually written the legislation.) That it makes introduction of new drugs or equipment too expensive for all but the most well-funded startups is, I'm sure, a coincidence.
3. I've only got 25 years of experience inside and outside the medical equipment field, but I'm not going to generalize my understanding to anybody else. I speak only for myself and those I've known personally when I say that I never met anybody for whom making big money was their motivation.
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