Legislating in Bizarro World
Consider the following purely hypothetical political scenario:
A lame duck president with an approval rating of 30% demands that a Congress controlled by the opposite party pass legislation retroactively immunizing an entire industry for any illegal conduct it "may" have participated in at the request of his administration over a period of at least six years. This president is unwilling to provide the public or Congress (other than a few members of the intelligence committees) with any specific information regarding the programs these companies are alleged to have participated in. Indeed, he won't even confirm that they assisted the government at all.
Given these facts, what are the odds that our hypothetical president would be able to convince Congress to give him the legislation he wants?
Had I been presented with this scenario a few years ago (or really anytime in my life prior to the last few months), I would have answered very quickly. I would have said "no chance in hell."
But for reasons I am at a loss to explain, Congress seems likely to capitulate to President Bush's demand that the telecom industry be retroactively immunized for any illegal activity it may have participated in at the request of his administration over the last six years. An intensely unpopular lame duck president is demanding something which is completely unreasonable and for which there is no obvious political downside to opposing, and the Democrats in Congress seem ready to acquiesce to his demands, without even knowing what conduct they are granting amnesty for. This is how the legislative process works in the bizarro world we've somehow managed to find ourselves in.
As Glenn points out today, in additional to Democratic fecklessness (particularly in the Senate), a big part of the problem here is the willingness of influential beltway pundits to simply accept the totally bizarre and unreasonable framing of this debate presented by the White House. Here, for instance, is the Washington Post editorial page today:
Good grief. Here's a thought. Maybe the responsible thing to do is not to legislate blindly. And maybe a serious editorial page shouldn't adopt such a blasé attitude toward our legislative and judicial systems. We're talking about a statute that would instantly terminate a number of important lawsuits brought on behalf people who claim that their rights were violated. This legislation would not only prevent these people from having their day in court, it would likely ensure that these very important issues are never subjected to meaningful judicial review.
In serious pundit land, the administration's position--that Congress should grant amnesty to all telecom companies and instantly terminate all court cases without knowing any of the relevant underlying facts--is very sensible ("we think the administration has the better of the argument").
I know I often make this point, but can you even imagine what all the Sensible Pundits would be saying if the Clinton administration had tried to do something like this? They'd be tripping over themselves to declare, in the strongest terms possible, how totally unreasonable it is to demand that Congress legislate in the dark. And they'd be right!
Episodes like this, where the normal rules of politics seem not to apply, only reinforce my sense that past political precedents really aren't all that helpful in predicting or understanding the Bush presidency. The people currently in the White House are so willing to push the envelope, to do and say things that no one previously would have had the nerve to do or say, that they manage to shift the political debate into strange new realms where the normal rules don't seem to apply. In this strange new political universe in which we find ourselves, a painfully unpopular president can demand that a Congress controlled by the opposition party pass legislation that would grant amnesty to companies that assisted him in committing illegal activities and shield those activities from judicial review, and--without even knowing what those activities are--Congress will express a willingness to pass such a law and pundits will support it.
I don't understand this bizarro world and I can only hope that we'll someday return to a more familiar quadrant of the universe.
A lame duck president with an approval rating of 30% demands that a Congress controlled by the opposite party pass legislation retroactively immunizing an entire industry for any illegal conduct it "may" have participated in at the request of his administration over a period of at least six years. This president is unwilling to provide the public or Congress (other than a few members of the intelligence committees) with any specific information regarding the programs these companies are alleged to have participated in. Indeed, he won't even confirm that they assisted the government at all.
Given these facts, what are the odds that our hypothetical president would be able to convince Congress to give him the legislation he wants?
Had I been presented with this scenario a few years ago (or really anytime in my life prior to the last few months), I would have answered very quickly. I would have said "no chance in hell."
But for reasons I am at a loss to explain, Congress seems likely to capitulate to President Bush's demand that the telecom industry be retroactively immunized for any illegal activity it may have participated in at the request of his administration over the last six years. An intensely unpopular lame duck president is demanding something which is completely unreasonable and for which there is no obvious political downside to opposing, and the Democrats in Congress seem ready to acquiesce to his demands, without even knowing what conduct they are granting amnesty for. This is how the legislative process works in the bizarro world we've somehow managed to find ourselves in.
As Glenn points out today, in additional to Democratic fecklessness (particularly in the Senate), a big part of the problem here is the willingness of influential beltway pundits to simply accept the totally bizarre and unreasonable framing of this debate presented by the White House. Here, for instance, is the Washington Post editorial page today:
There is one major area of disagreement between the administration and House Democrats where we think the administration has the better of the argument: the question of whether telecommunications companies that provided information to the government without court orders should be given retroactive immunity from being sued. House Democrats are understandably reluctant to grant that wholesale protection without understanding exactly what conduct they are shielding, and the administration has balked at providing such information. But the telecommunications providers seem to us to have been acting as patriotic corporate citizens in a difficult and uncharted environment.Now there's a solid argument if I've ever seen one. Neither we nor Congress know any of the relevant facts--and the administration won't give us that information--but we nevertheless support this sweeping grant of immunity because it really "seems to us" like these companies had good intentions.
Good grief. Here's a thought. Maybe the responsible thing to do is not to legislate blindly. And maybe a serious editorial page shouldn't adopt such a blasé attitude toward our legislative and judicial systems. We're talking about a statute that would instantly terminate a number of important lawsuits brought on behalf people who claim that their rights were violated. This legislation would not only prevent these people from having their day in court, it would likely ensure that these very important issues are never subjected to meaningful judicial review.
In serious pundit land, the administration's position--that Congress should grant amnesty to all telecom companies and instantly terminate all court cases without knowing any of the relevant underlying facts--is very sensible ("we think the administration has the better of the argument").
I know I often make this point, but can you even imagine what all the Sensible Pundits would be saying if the Clinton administration had tried to do something like this? They'd be tripping over themselves to declare, in the strongest terms possible, how totally unreasonable it is to demand that Congress legislate in the dark. And they'd be right!
Episodes like this, where the normal rules of politics seem not to apply, only reinforce my sense that past political precedents really aren't all that helpful in predicting or understanding the Bush presidency. The people currently in the White House are so willing to push the envelope, to do and say things that no one previously would have had the nerve to do or say, that they manage to shift the political debate into strange new realms where the normal rules don't seem to apply. In this strange new political universe in which we find ourselves, a painfully unpopular president can demand that a Congress controlled by the opposition party pass legislation that would grant amnesty to companies that assisted him in committing illegal activities and shield those activities from judicial review, and--without even knowing what those activities are--Congress will express a willingness to pass such a law and pundits will support it.
I don't understand this bizarro world and I can only hope that we'll someday return to a more familiar quadrant of the universe.



17 Comments:
Amen. I often shake my head over the chutzpah of this administration. And the really amazing thing is that they have gotten away with it time and time again.
I blame the Democratic leadership for some of this. Frankly, they have been incredibly ineffective and, for lack of a better word, lame. Some of their priorities are ridiculous(Armenian genocide?? now??). Pelosi and Reid are lousy public speakers.
Of course, the Bush WH gets the blame for most of this madness. What will be really interesting will be to see how Republicans(and the editorial page of the WaPo) react during the next administration when they perceive that President Clinton has overreached. I'm betting on a chorus of howls.
This is what happens when you take impeachment off the table.
Oct 2006.
Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) pledged that impeachment of President George W. Bush was off the table should Democrats gain a majority next month.
Pelosi speculated that Republicans would "just love" the "waste of time" such proceedings would be. "Making them lame ducks," she concluded, "is good enough for me."
The only lame ducks have been the Pelosi lead Congress. I hold her responsible for enabling that Corporate Whore who resides in the WH.
"I can only hope that we'll someday return to a more familiar quadrant of the universe"
Negative. We are falling into a black hole, and once we cross the event horizon, there's no going back. Ever.
I don't understand this bizarro world and I can only hope that we'll someday return to a more familiar quadrant of the universe.
Regretfully, not likely - as an attorney you know the importance of precedence. Future fuhrer types can now proclaim - but the chimperor did it and impeachment was "off the table".
We are being terribly served by the current Dem leadership - they are not providing any meaningful over site and will probably cave on the issues in your post too.
Their refusal to take meaningful actions just gives the next gang of criminals to steal the White House more wiggle room and all the justification they need to destroy what is left from of the US Constitution after the current gang of thieves and war criminals is done with it.
Bloggin about it is fine - but we need meaningful action - something along the lines of meaningful boycotts aimed at the corporate interests that underwrite the neocon agenda.
Unfortunately, the "superblogs" and self-proclaimed "advertise liberally" group has also taken that off the table...
If the approval rating of the president is relevant to the subject matter, wouldn't an honest writer also tell us the approval rating of the Congress to which he is proposing the legislation?
Approval rating of congress compared to the chimperor is TOTALLY MISLEADING AND BOGUS!
After all - the disapproval numbers of congress are A DIRECT RESULT OF THEM NOT HOLDING THE CHIMPEROR ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS ACTIONS!
The best way to increase the approval rating of congress would be to for them to IMPEACH THE CRIMINALS IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND END THEIR ILLEGAL WAR.
I suppose it is possible that AnonLib omitted to mention the abysmal approval rating of the congress because it is "toatlly misleading and bogus," but I don't think he is quite that immature. I think he's simply not very forthcoming.
In the meantime, what is our strategy in the event that Al Qaeda in Iraq has actually been broken and is on the brink of defeat? How can we possibly live with such a disaster? Wouldn't we all be much better off if AQI were to stage a miraculous comeback and kill so many Iraqi civilians and US soldiers that the congress would finally bring the troops home?
What should we recommend to Senator Reid that he say about his prior assertion that the war was "lost?"
The war was lost a long time ago - unless you own stock in the military-industrial complex, there is no point in us staying in Iraq. It was an illegal war, based on lies, and in the process the US has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity (anyone want any depleted uranium?)
I am being very forthcoming and honest - you are not - whatever the ratings of congress are, THEY ARE LOW BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT STARTED IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS AGAINST THE ADMINISTRATION FOR HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS.
The chimperor's own nixonian (just prior to resignation) approval ratings do not mean he is more popular. In fact it means the opposite - the public wants to see him removed from office and the congress isn't doing it.
Actually, neutral, the other commenter is quite right. Comparing Congressional approval to presidential approval is misleading and bogus. It's an apples/oranges comparison. A recent poll found that Congress' approval rating is actually higher among Republicans than Democrats. In other words, a HUGE percentage of the dissatisfaction with Congress comes from people who don't think it is sufficiently standing up to Bush.
And there are those who rate Bush low because he hasn't nuked Iran. In any event, the premise seems to be that a president with low approval ratings should not introduce legislation, whereas there are no comparable restrictions on a congress with even lower ratings. Sell that one somewhere else.
The war was not and is not lost, despite the ardent hopes and dreams of much of the American Left.
The war was not and is not "illegal": it was authorized by three-fourths of the congress. Under centuries-old international law the US was fully justified in striking at Iraq for a number of reasons, not least of which were innumerable violations of a truce (not a peace treaty) signed at the end of the first Gulf War.
I know of no war crime thus far that has gone unpunished. Only one side in this war investigates and punishes those of its own who violate the laws of war. If you are hoping for that side to lose, you are not only a tad bit screwy, you are going to be extremely disappointed. Watch and learn.
Neutral,
That's not the point. The point is that it's truly pathetic that Democrats in Congress allow themselves to be intimidated by a president who is so unpopular. If Congress were to oppose Bush more forcefully, its approval ratings would almost surely go up. Congress is controlled by Democrats, but its approval rating among Democrats is abysmal.
As for the rest of your comment, I'm not sure who it is even directed at. I don't think the Iraq war was "illegal." I just think it was reckless and ill-advised.
And, though I don't expect there to be any prosecutions over it, most of the "enhanced interrogation techniques" authorized by the Bush administration are in fact war crimes under the War Crimes Act.
Finally, your characterization of the conflict in Iraq is remarkably simplistic. It's not about which "side" is better. Their aren't sides here. We're an occupying force in a country in which many different groups are fighting each other and vying for power. If we leave, that doesn't mean we "lose" the war. It just means we've decided it is no longer in our best interests to occupy Iraq.
"Neutral" like the village idiot is compassionate. I was wondering when you were going to get around to using the "I'm more patriotic then you are" card. He knows of no war crimes,jeezzz...
Go back to listening to Rush and the rest of your gestapo heros.
Sorry folks but people like nuetral are the reason this country is in such a sinkhole and I'll no longer pretend their arguments have merit.
My comment about the legality of the war was directed at the person "identifying" himself as anonymous, who asserted that "it was an illegal war."
You characterize the Democrats as "intimidated," and suggest that if only they followed your wiser course their stock would improve. I think it would be quite odd if hundreds of professional politicians who have run for, and attained, public office were less perceptive than you are in evaluating what actions are likely to gain public approval for them. Possible, I suppose, but highly unlikely.
We in the civil libertarian community generally refrain from calling people criminals until they have at least been charged with a crime, and we think it is often preferable to await their prosecution and conviction. Bandying about accusations of criminality when none of these steps has been taken is idle. Your claim that interrogation techniqes that have been authorized constitute crimes is an argument, but it is not one that has been adjudicated.
There are, indeed, many factions committing violent acts in Iraq. There are two of those factions--Al Qaeda in Iraq and the US armed forces--that comprise the "sides" to which I alluded. When our side renders the AQI side ineffective, reconciliation among the other factions is entirely possible, and even likely, and it seems to be occurring as we speak.
The comment offered by Skewered Left makes no sense, and thus I won't respond to it.
"When our side renders the AQI side ineffective, reconciliation among the other factions is entirely possible, and even likely, and it seems to be occurring as we speak."
And you accuse me of not making sense. You sir are delusional.
I'll leave you with this," Iraq
There has never been a war in which one couldn't find twelve O-3's (out of thousands) who were ready to throw in the towel. I've fought in a war as an O-3; Skewered Left has not. But I will leave the readers--and S.L.--with the following, from the editorial board of the newspaper which elected to publish the view of the twelve former captains. The editorial board evaluates everything at its disposal, including the views of those twelve, and here is what it has to say:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/13/AR2007101301071.html
As I have stated, watch and learn. And try not to let your fond hope for an American defeat be too evident--it's nauseating to see.
yeah, "neutral", typical libertarian bull biscuits - it ain't a crime if you break the law and get away with it right?
As long as you get yours - status quo is fine because - hey, libertarians believe that as long as I get mine, right?
Screw everybody else, cuz, you know, I'm a LIBERTARIAN!
Libertarian? Do you reach that conclusion because I describe myself as a civil libertarian?
Apart from throwing around a misguided label, do you have anything to say on the merits, or are you simply limited to what you think are insults?
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