Tuesday, October 16, 2007

Compassionless Conservatism

It's amazing to see how conservative pundits are reacting to the debate on Capitol Hill over the S-CHIP program. For the most part, conservative politicians (including the President himself) realize that S-CHIP is enormously popular and that the conservative vision of a world without programs like S-CHIP is one fraught with political peril. That's why the President and Republicans in Congress who oppose the S-CHIP renewal bill are always careful to frame their opposition to the bill as being about their concern for poor children. They claim that they oppose the bill because it takes money away from poor children and uses it to provide insurance to middle-class children whose parents can afford private insurance. This argument is both inaccurate and deeply disingenuous, but at least it reflects some appreciation of the fact that many Americans worry about providing health insurance to their families and aren't interested in being lectured to and judged by heartless politicians who have no idea what it's like to be one accident away from financial ruin.

Conservative pundits, on the other hand, seem to be totally oblivious to these basic political realities. They've spent much of the last two weeks going after two very typical working-class families, publicly chastising them for their supposed laziness and irresponsibility, all because they happen to rely on the S-CHIP program to insure their children's health. Last week, for example, the National Review's Mark Steyn devoted a number of posts to criticizing the Frost family for its poor "choices" (based on a complete mischaracterization of their circumstances). And today, Mark Hemingway, also at the National Review, devotes an entire article to attacking the Wilkerson family of Tampa Bay, Florida. He criticizes them for, among other things, not continuing to work indefinitely at miserable jobs solely for the health insurance those jobs provided, for having the temerity to discuss whether they wanted to have kids prior to marrying each other, and ultimately for deciding to have children at all given their financial situation. For this, he labels the Wilkersons "real poster children — for irresponsible decisions."

If the goal here is to convince people that the Republican party is the party of judgmental, compassionless A-holes, well mission accomplished. Talk about political tone-deafness. But let's put aside for a second the fact that people like Mark Steyn and Mark Hemingway are presumptuous jerks who know very little about the actual circumstances of these families (and certainly don't know enough to render informed judgment as to their relative "responsibleness" as parents and providers).

Let's assume for the moment that these parents are in fact "irresponsible" in some meaningful way. What boggles my mind is that these guys presume that the rest of us actually want to live in a world where children are forced to go without health insurance because they have irresponsible parents. Or a world where the penalty for making a bad decision is that your children are made to suffer and your family goes bankrupt. Or, for that matter, a world where the only "responsible" choice you have is to work forever at a miserable job that you hate, just so that you'll have access to health insurance.

Steyn and Hemingway seem to think that they're making persuasive arguments against programs like S-CHIP, but all they're really doing is painting a picture of a world that no one wants to live in. They're highlighting everything that people hate about our current, broken health care system while trashing the few aspects of it that make it less merciless and more forgiving. As Digby put it earlier today:
This is what Republicans call "solutions to problems:" all of you people who work in jobs that don't offer health insurance, and can't afford the ridiculously expensive private health care plans that are available, well, you need to get a job that provides health insurance for your whole family --- or don't have kids. Oh, and while you're at it, you'd better be prepared to do whatever it takes to keep that job no matter what, especially if your kid gets sick, because if you find yourself without health insurance for any reason it will be because it was your choice. This is what Republicans call "freedom."
I don't know how people like Steyn and Hemingway can possibly think that people will eagerly embrace their cruel and unforgiving vision of America. At least conservative politicians have sense enough to appreciate how unappealing and politically toxic such policies are (which is why they pretend that they're just looking out for the interests of poor children). We're a country founded on a promise of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The conservative vision of health care policy threatens all three. It threatens life by making health care inaccessible to many people, including children. And it threatens liberty and the pursuit of happiness by trapping people in jobs they hate and discouraging them from venturing out on their own, starting businesses, or simply pursuing the vocation that would make them the most happy and productive.

There are countless Americans out there whose circumstances are not all that different from the Frosts and Wilkersons, hard-working people who either can't afford insurance or who live in constant fear of losing their insurance. And these people really don't want to be lectured to by arrogant Republican ideologues about the "choices" they make. It's tough out there, and we already have the least forgiving health care system in all of the industrialized world. For most people in this country, a layoff and an ill-timed accident or illness are all that stands between them and bankruptcy. But conservatives nevertheless want to rollback the few programs, like S-CHIP, that exist to make the system a little more forgiving. Somehow rolling back what few safeguards we have will make us all more free.

If that's the vision of America conservatives want to sell, good luck, because no one's going to buy it. You can fool people about a lot of things in politics. You can convince them that a foreign war is necessary when it isn't. You can convince them that tax cuts lead to more revenue. You can even convince a lot of them that Bush is a great president. But when it comes to things that are central to their daily lives, like health care, it is much harder to fool people. They know how unfair and unforgiving our system is. They know the risks they face and how easily everything can go to hell. And they're not going to be fooled when people like Steyn and Hemingway claim that our system works great if you just act "responsibly." In fact, they are very likely to find that sort of condescending obliviousness offensive. So by all means, guys, keep it up. You're just driving people away from the Republican party.

(for a line-by-line take down of Hemingway's article, I recommend this post by the indispensable Steve Benen)
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28 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

All good points, but think you miss an important one. The memes about "compassionate conservatism" an "values voters" only exist to provide cover for dishonest elections. They are excuses for the MSM to rationalize improbable to impossible outcomes while totally avoiding any actual reporting or investigation of outcomes that are statistically impossible except by "hook or crook."

We will hear these memes again when it serves a purpose - at this point of time, such talk does not serve a purpose because, as you point out, it is so patently absurd.

In 2008, however, when the latest round of voter caging, disenfranchisement, and fraudulent election results roll in - the MSM will again be silent on the integrity of our elections, but will roll out these memes and proclaim that a "highly energized base" turned out to swing key races.

1:59 AM  
Blogger Hoosier Daddy said...

You decry conservative heartlessness yet seem to have no problems with turning a blind eye to irresponsibility. If someone is in a job who doesn't have insurance, having a kid is irresponsible. Is that harsh? Perhaps but its also reality. Don't ask me to dig in my pocket to pay for your benefits because you demand having children you can't afford. I have lost two jobs throughout my career through downsizing and yes I took jobs that were miserable because I have a family to raise a mortgage to pay and food to buy. I didn't ask anyone else to foot the bill. I don't oppose helping anyone out in a time of need but I have my own family to take care of, don't ask me to support someone elses.

Don't want to be lectured about choices? Fine then don't lecture me about freedoms because those go hand in hand.

7:28 AM  
Anonymous casual observer said...

Thank you, Hoosier Daddy, for your classic GOP response.

SCHIP, as I understand it, is an investment. Just like education, infrustructure, publically-funded scientific research, and the like. The benefits of a healthy, well-educated young generation outweigh the relatively modest costs of SCHIP.

What is needed, I feel, are less emotional and propaganidistic portrayals on both sides of this issue, and a sober look at the numbers in terms of cost-benefit.

8:25 AM  
Blogger Enlightened Layperson said...

Mark Hemingway should be called on this. Does he think the baby should be allowed to die because of the parents irresponsible choices? Yes or no?

Mark Steyn also gets to me. He's the one who keeps saying we are in a demographic arms race to the death with Muslims and it is everyone's duty to have more babies or they will overrun us.

8:56 AM  
Blogger A.L. said...

Hoosier Daddy,

No one is asking you to foot the bill for irresponsible people. What were asking for is a system, like they have in every other first world country, where you don't have to choose between staying at a job you hate and being able to provide your children with healthcare. S-CHIP is a small step in that direction.

In this country (as in all countries) children are entitled to an education as a right. Clearly no one thinks that it would be fair or just to deny education to children whose parents can't afford it (or who are *gasp* irresponsible). Why should health care be any different? Why should children's access to basic medical care depend on the employment choices of their parents (particularly in a way that discourages entrepaneurship)?

I'm all for pursuing policies that incentivize responsibility, but not at the expense of children. And not if "responsibility" is defined so narrowly that it excludes things like starting your own business or working for a company that refuses to provide health care.

8:59 AM  
Blogger Hoosier Daddy said...

I think you're missing the point. I have no issues with investments for the benefit of society as a whole. What I have a problem with is taxpayer funding of what should be parental responsibility. I would refer you back to your own post where you state, even if the parents are irresponsible, why should the children suffer?

Indeed, why should society suffer the burden of assuming the obligations of irresponsible parents? Why stop at SCHIP? If a provider loses thier job, what about their mortage and car payments or should we insist on a taxpayer funded effort to ensure no one loses their homes or means of transport? Where does it end?

As for footing the bill, yes I am doing that as a taxpayer. Do we want health care coverage like Europe? Fine lets go for it and make sure everyone who gets coverage is also taxed for it. Also, serious efforts better be made to ensure that supply is drastically increased (docs, nurses etc.

Be careful what you wish for.

9:16 AM  
Blogger A.L. said...

Obviously it is not reasable or feasible to attempt to protect children from all of the irresponsible decisions their parents can make, but basic things like education and health care should be made available to all children. If we really believe in providing equal opportunity, that's a no brainer.

Second, the whole point of S-CHIP is to allow families to be able to make the responsible choice. It's not a handout. You have to pay premiums. But at least they are affordable premiums. Many times private premiums are just not affordable (particularly if you have any pre-existing conditions).

9:32 AM  
Blogger gnarlytrombone said...

Fascinating, innit? What they're essentially saying is that health insurance isn't just a means of hedging against medical and financial disaster, it's a bludgeon to keep people in line - an instrument of social engineering.

Nanny state, indeed.

10:02 AM  
Anonymous casual observer said...

HD said: "Indeed, why should society suffer the burden of assuming the obligations of irresponsible parents?"

I reject your framing the argument as "responsible" vs. "irresponsible". A large segment of the american public are one catastrophic injury or serious illness away from bankruptcy. This includes injury or illness to children in the family. There is a public benefit--a substantial one--to putting a mechanism in place that covers children (AND adults in my opinion) from financial ruin due to a single illness or serious accident in their family. We, the public, are going to pay for these events one way or the other. I would prefer to pay for them in a way that keeps families together and keeps them financially sustainable so they can raise children in the best way possible.


"Why stop at SCHIP? If a provider loses thier job, what about their mortage and car payments or should we insist on a taxpayer funded effort to ensure no one loses their homes or means of transport? Where does it end? "

This is a classic "slippery slope" argument. It claims: we can't do this thing based on it's merits, because we are afraid of something that might happen later if we keep on this course. Keep your arguments to the subject at hand, and don't refer to some vague fears about the future. Just a suggestion.

10:02 AM  
Blogger gnarlytrombone said...

The real question is, Why should anyone bust their ass to subsidize a horrifically corrupt and inefficient insurance industry?

10:14 AM  
Anonymous Doc said...

Regardless of the current political 'attractiveness' or lack of same about conservative, Constitutional policies vs the Nanny-state solutions of the Democrats, Socialists (oops - pardon my redundancy), etc, the reality is that demographics will eventually kick in. Most people who think that government should be limited to truly Constitutional bounds (meaning, e.g., that it shouldn't be taking money from a waitress in Des Moines to pay for someone else's kids' medical care; or education, for that matter; I homeschool my kids and I resent money being taken from me to pay for the education of others' kids'; education is a right? Says who?) tend to have more kids than those who think that government should do that and so much more. Think about it: how many articulate 'liberals' have more than 2 kids? Meanwhile conservatives are much more likely to have larger families. In my own family, my 3 older sibs, liberals all, have 2 kids among them. I have 4, and my firstborn (in his second year at a top-ranked college, on the Dean's list; still goes to church regularly, is a college Republican, going into business eventually) says he's going to have 6. There are exceptions, of course, but among those who spend much time actually thinking about such policies, this trend generally holds true. Eventually, the grandchildren of those who believe in limited government will outnumber the Nanny-staters. Kids usually (not always; runs about 80%) hold political/social positions similar to that of their parents. I don't know if the change will happen in my lifetime, or in time to keep this nation from collapsing, but the trend is undeniable. Just think of it as evolution in action; survival of the fittest; last man standing.

11:23 AM  
Blogger gnarlytrombone said...

Hey, Doc, that'd make a great movie!

11:41 AM  
Blogger Hoosier Daddy said...

Keep your arguments to the subject at hand, and don't refer to some vague fears about the future. Just a suggestion.

Ok then lets talk about universal coverage for not just children to cover your personal opinion. Lets take the current Medicare system and expand it to everyone. Everyone gets 80/20 coverage with the standard co-pays and deductibles. That's pretty much the French system.

Now humor me this. What if anything will the Fed do about increasing supply to cover now 300 million people? Now obviously there will be people who won't be able to cover the 20%, copays or deductibles so I assume you would support some waiver for them. Obviously taxes will need to be increased enormously to cover the costs so that's a no brainer. In a nutshell, that's the cheap version.

Then the question is whether this program includes everyone or just those making under $X/annually.

As for the slipperly slope argument, I reject your position as well. Social Security started out as a subsidy for widows and orphans and now covers retirees, disabled and is widely viewed as the sole source of income at retirement. Welfare in general was supposed to be a temporary assistance to the poor and became a generational problem. So when you now use the fear of losing one's job to losing health care coverage, why should the loss of one's house or means of transportation be any more detrimental to a family?

11:49 AM  
Blogger Skewered Left said...

This bears repeating:
Why do some Americans vote AGAINST their own best interests, against the interests of their own family? Why do Republican voters ignore the RESULTS of Republican rule on this nation, the mountains of debt, the war with enormous cost in lives, injuries and treasure, with totally incompetent civilian leadership and no end in sight?What explains the abandoning of the idea of helping one’s neighbor, providing help for human beings in need? How could it be considered “good” to cause widespread suffering here at home and indeed around the globe, while having a singleminded goal of further enriching the already very wealthy? What would cause a human being to abandon their souls and humanity, to daily embark on attempting to defend the rightwing and their leadership?

Not mine but I wholeheartedly agree.

Some of us want OUR taxes to support the Military Industrial Complex and Corporate Welfare while others rather our taxes support the Public good such as public schooling,healthcare,etc.
I think it is a simple proposition and thankfully the pendulum is starting to swing left and away from wanton greed and fanatical religious right.

12:39 PM  
Blogger gnarlytrombone said...

why should the loss of one's house or means of transportation be any more detrimental to a family?

What do you mean "should?" It is more detrimental.

1:07 PM  
Anonymous Norton said...

Exercising my Hillary validated "willing suspension of disbelief," I refuse to believe that the nonsense spouted here is earnestly meant to be taken seriously. You're all joking, right?

6:35 PM  
Anonymous Norton said...

Exercising my Hillary validated "willing suspension of disbelief," I refuse to believe that the nonsense spouted here is earnestly meant to be taken seriously. You're all joking, right?

6:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

norton:

Of course not. It's for the children. You don't hate children, do you? After all, only a fascist would object to the theft of one's property by politicians in order to purchase votes.

7:12 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Mark Steyn isn't an American conservative - he is a Canadian conservative, and well aware of the pitfalls of socialized medecine.

7:28 PM  
Anonymous neutral said...

The initial post by AL is rather a hysterical screed. It should probably suffice to say simply that compassion is not demonstrated by volunteering to use other people's tax money, regardless of the nobility of the purpose.

The Republican position is simply that the program should continue to be limited to the truly needy. If you want to spend my tax dollars to purchase health insurance or health services for a middle-class person who "can't afford it," I'd first want to know how many televisions sets and automobiles the family has, and how much they spent on them.

In short, I'd like to see it remain a means-tested program. If that means to you that I am disingenuous or compassionless, I believe you are living in a world in which those words have little meaning.

10:46 PM  
Blogger A.L. said...

But, neutral, the program wasn't designed for the "truly needy." That's what Medicaid is for. S-CHIP was designed to provide affordable health insurance to the children of working class families who, for whatever reason, don't have access to affordable health insurance (because their kids have pre-existing conditions or their job doesn't offer benefits, etc.). That's the whole point.

Moreover, what does it matter how many TVs a family has when what's at issue is the health of an innocent child. Do you think education should be means-tested as well? Should a child not be allowed to attend school if their parents can "afford" private school? Equal opportunity is a basic American value. Kids shouldn't be punished unnecessarily because of their parents' choices.

And finally, who do you think ends up paying when a child shows up in the emergency room with a preventable condition or a family goes bankrupt from medical bills? All of us pay. It's much cheaper (and it produces better outcomes all around) to simply provide affordable insurance to children at the outset.

So even if you completely lack compassion for the plight of children with no insurance, it just makes cold hard fiscal sense to fund programs like this.

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6:45 AM  
Anonymous SteveIL said...

Beware of "liberals" who say they want the Democratic expansion of S-CHIP because they say it is for "the children". Crap. Lying "liberals" are no more for "the children" than they are for "the poor" and "the working class".

How can I say this? Take a look at the last section of the S-CHIP bill that the President vetoed. It's the one that shows how this overreaching expansion is funded. Then ask yourself who will ultimately be responsible for paying for this new expansion; and, after reading that, ask yourself if you still believe "liberals" and Democrats are for "the children", "the poor", or "the working class"? What's even worse, this is just an insidious attempt by the Democrats to get this expansion in place, then demagogue how other funding methods (taxes) will be needed to keep it going (and expanded further).

I'll give you all a little hint: the new motto for the Democratic Party and lying "liberals" should be, "Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em; You're Child's Health Depends On It".

7:48 AM  
Anonymous neutral said...

"Moreover, what does it matter how many TVs a family has when what's at issue is the health of an innocent child. Do you think education should be means-tested as well?"

It matters if they claim they can't afford it and are asking others to pay for it.

I don't think education should be means-tested because I think it is a public good--we all benefit from having an educated society. We don't all benefit from paying other people to go to the doctor.

3:08 PM  
Blogger Demon Princess said...

Bravo, Anonymous Liberal! A passionate post.

Count the Hoosiers & nay-sayers a miserly lot who refuse to believe we are an interconnected society whose well-being as a whole matters. ("I'm miserable, and so should you be!")

Particularly liked the interesting postulations on GOP v. Liberal reproduction rates. Very entertaining, discounting the fact that SOME kids grow up to have minds of their own.

3:20 PM  
Anonymous neutral said...

I should add, AL, that the proposal you are endorsing involves a means test exactly as the existing program does--you simply want to the tested means to be at a slightly higher level than I do.

That is hardly the grist for a campaign of moral outrage, and you make yourself look every bit as phony as an elcted politician by pretentding that it is.

3:30 PM  
Blogger A.L. said...

neutral, I realize S-CHIP is means-tested, but if I got to set policy, I would do away with means-testing. I would make S-CHIP an option for any parent. I think health care for kids should be a matter of right, just like education is.

And this is classic:

I don't think education should be means-tested because I think it is a public good--we all benefit from having an educated society. We don't all benefit from paying other people to go to the doctor.

We don't all benefit from having a healthy society? Plus, you're ignoring reality here. We already pay for the uninsured in numerous ways. Hospitals charge more to paying customers to cover their losses. We all incur costs from families going bankrupt. And lack of prevenative care for children has been shown to lead to a less healthy and less productive work force.

The bottomline is that it is cheaper, more efficient, and more just to cover as many kids as possible.

3:48 PM  
Anonymous neutral said...

No, we don't all benefit from having everyone pay for visits to the doctor with other people's money. Look to the UK for your proof.

We pay for the uninsured in numerous ways because, through our elected officials, we have chosen to do so. Ditto re the costs of allowing people to avoid their just debts through bankruptcy. In the case of the SCHIP program, those elected officials are engaged in a squabble about the level at which such payments should become a matter of right.

Because, if you "got to set policy," you would do away with means testing, I take it you believe the Democrats are very close to being every bit as cold-hearted and cruel as the Republicans, and as in the case of the prostitute we're just haggling about the price.

I'll spare you the moral preening if you'll grant me the same boon.

5:21 PM  

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