Thursday, September 20, 2007

Kid Nation

(updated below)

Tonight I saw an ad for CBS's new reality show Kid Nation--"40 children, 40 days, no adults—eager to prove they can build a better world for tomorrow. . ."--and it occurred to me that we've pretty much been living that show for the last seven years.

Our government, and particularly our foreign policy, have been run by a bunch of children. Every issue, no matter how complex, has been reduced to a simple Good vs. Evil narrative. Naive utopian fantasies, instead of sober analysis and planning, have guided our actions. Domestic politics has come to be dominated by playground style name-calling. Perceived enemies at home and abroad have been reduced to cartoonish caricatures. And much of our discourse has consisted of a mindless pack-style swarming behavior in which everyone gangs up on whoever or whatever happens to have rubbed the cool kids the wrong way that particular day.

The outrage du jour, of course, is Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's visit to New York. As I noted in my previous post, right wing bloggers and pundits immediately flipped out about Ahmadinejad's proposed visit to Ground Zero. The Republican presidential candidates immediately followed suit. Giuliani called it "outrageous." Mitt Romney called it "shockingly audacious" and advised that we arrest and indict Ahmadinejad. And John McCain all but threatened to tackle him personally if he attempted to go near Ground Zero.

In the simplistic narrative that dominates Republican discourse, it doesn't matter that Ahmadinejad and Iran had nothing to do with 9/11 or that Iran in fact publicly condemned the 9/11 attacks shortly after they occurred. All that matters is that Ahmadinejad is an Evil Islamofascist and that the attacks were carried out by Evil Islamofascists. Ipso facto, it would be the ultimate insult to allow him anywhere near Ground Zero.

As Josh Marshall put it:
Is this man any worse than the various Soviet dignitaries who we feted and hosted around our country? Or is it simply that we've grown increasingly infantile as a country since the end of the Cold War, more and more obsessed and histrionic about minor powers like Iran and Iraq?

A president with some dignity and sense of the greatness of his country would say, good he should go there. Maybe he'll learn something about us and our loss.

If we as a country were a person, I'd say grow up. Act like a man. Have some self-respect.
Agreed. Moreover, our hysterical, utterly juvenile overreaction plays right into Ahmadinejad's hand politically. First, it elevates his importance far beyond anything he deserves. Second, it actually makes him more of a sympathetic figure to Iranians who wouldn't otherwise be inclined to side with him. To Iranians, it must seem like Americans either don't know or don't care about the difference between Persian Iranians and Sunni Arab terrorists like Osama bin Laden. Iran had nothing to do with 9/11, and I doubt that most Iranians appreciate their head of state being treated as if he and his country were somehow responsible for those events, particularly when all he planned to do was lay a wreath at the site. I intensely dislike George W. Bush, but if he were being insulted and threatened in another country for something that neither he nor America had anything to do with (and about which he was trying to make a public gesture of support), that would make me mad.

And as I wrote yesterday, having an important Muslim leader publicly pay respect to those who died on 9/11 would be a major public relations victory for us. Remember, the primary goal in the war on terror is to reduce the appeal of al Qaeda's ideology among the world's Muslim population.

The opposition to Ahmadinejad's trip to Columbia is even more infantile. The ever serious Michael Ledeen writes: "As for Columbia University, one can only propose the Chamberlain Award for Exceptional Appeasement." And Scott Johnson of Powerline excoriates Columbia President Lee Bollinger:
Columbia and President Bollinger are a disgrace. They welcome to their campus a man who is a ringleader in the seizure of American hostages, a terrorist, the president of a terrorist regime, and the representative of a regime responsible at present for the deaths of American soldiers on the field of battle. Columbia’s prattle about free speech may be a tale told by an idiot, but it signifies something. And President Bollinger is a fool who is not excused from the dishonor he brings to his institution and his fellow citizens by the fact that he doesn’t know what he is doing.
To hear Ledeen and Johnson tell it, you'd think Columbia was inviting Ahmadinejad over to mingle with the faculty and receive an honorary degreee. But of course that's not the case. Most of the panel will be devoted to a Q&A session in which Ahmadinejad will be pressed on the following subjects:
· the Iranian President’s denial of the Holocaust;
· his public call for the destruction of the state of Israel;
· his reported support for international terrorism that targets innocent civilians and American troops;
· Iran’s pursuit of nuclear ambitions in opposition to international sanction;
· his government’s widely documented suppression of civil society and particularly of women’s rights; and
· his government’s imprisoning of journalists and scholars, including one of Columbia’s own alumni, Dr. Kian Tajbakhsh.
Not exactly softball questions. As President Bollinger eloquently explains:
It should never be thought that merely to listen to ideas we deplore in any way implies our endorsement of those ideas, or the weakness of our resolve to resist those ideas, or our naiveté about the very real dangers inherent in such ideas. It is a critical premise of freedom of speech that we do not honor the dishonorable when we open the public forum to their voices. To hold otherwise would make vigorous debate impossible.

That such a forum could not take place on a university campus in Iran today sharpens the point of what we do here. To commit oneself to a life—and a civil society—prepared to examine critically all ideas arises from a deep faith in the myriad benefits of a long-term process of meeting bad beliefs with better beliefs and hateful words with wiser words. That faith in freedom has always been and remains today our nation’s most potent weapon against repressive regimes everywhere in the world. This is America at its best.
I don't see how any adult can argue with that.

It's also worth noting that Ahmadinejad's beliefs and general mental state are key to the debate over whether we should launch a military strike against Iran. Those in favor of such an attack argue that Iran is run by irrational fanatics who are undeterrable by traditional means. Therefore, the argument goes, they must be prevented from acquiring nuclear weapons at all costs. Those who make this argument rely, almost exclusively, on troubling quotes from Ahmadinejad, often ones that are translated from obscure speeches delivered and transcribed in Farsi. Yet here we have a chance to explore Ahmadinejad's beliefs in a forum where Americans choose the questions and unclear statements can be clarified in real time. Ahmadinejad may not be fully candid in his responses, of course, but we would almost certainly come away from the forum with a better sense of who this man is. And that's invaluable.

What do we possibly have to lose by learning more about our perceived enemies? What exactly are the Michael Ledeens and Scott Johnsons of the world afraid of, that people might realize that the world is a little more complex than the cartoonish reality they've been describing?

I, for one, am tired of living in Kid Nation. Let's let the adults take a turn.

For some more adult perspectives I recommend James Joyner, Barbara O'Brien, Steve Benen, Steven Taylor, David Weigel, and, last but not least, BooMan.

UPDATE: In a post at the Weekly Standard entitled "Boycott Ahmadinejad," Bill Kristol writes:
A Columbia student asked how he could effectively protest his university's invitation to Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to speak Monday. My first response was to suggest petitions, e-mails to President Bollinger and the university trustees, letters to the student paper, peaceful protest, and the like. All these are fine. But then I had a second thought. There might be one form of protest that would be effective both in showing appropriate disgust for the Iranian regime, and in shaming the Columbia administration: A total student boycott of Ahmadinejad's speech. Let the Iranian president (and the Columbia president) look out on, and speak to, a sea of empty seats on Monday.

The rationale for a student boycott is simple: The Iranian government is directly involved in killing and wounding American soldiers in Iraq. As a gesture of elementary solidarity with those serving our nation in the military--young men and women, many of them their exact contemporaries--Columbia students should refuse to dignify Ahmadinejad's talk by attending it. Needless to say, Columbia faculty and administrators shouldn't attend either. Some of them will. But this is a chance for the 9/11 generation to show a decency and a sense of honor that some of their elders lack. After all, this is not primarily about Ahmadinejad. Dealing with his regime is mostly a task for our government. This is about us. Columbia students have a chance to shame their elders, redeem the good name of their institution, and make many Americans proud. I urge them to take it.
That's some extraordinarily narrow-minded and un-American advice. I've got a far better piece of advice for Columbia students who don't like Ahmadinejad: go to the panel and confront him with hard-hitting questions. The opportunity to confront someone like Ahmadinejad in an open forum is rare indeed. We don't even get that kind of access to our leaders. When was the last time President Bush opened himself up to questions from a hostile audience?

Moreover, it's highly unlikely that most Columbia students know anything about Ahmadenijad other than what people like Bill Kristol choose tell them. If they attend the talk, they can, at the very least, come away hating a real person instead of a cartoonish caricature of one. It's as if Kristol believes that Ahmadinejad is some sort of pied piper who will lead all the students astray if they go anywhere near him. So they must be kept away.

It's all very silly. Columbia students are adults and they are in school to learn. Why pass up a rare opportunity to gain valuable insight into the mind of an indisputably important--albeit unsavory--world figure. The American thing to do is to confront objectionable ideas and the people who espouse them, not to put your fingers in your ears and ignore them. That's particularly true at an institution devoted to learning.
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20 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Act like a man.

Dr. Marshall is an earnest lib so I know he didn't write that. Better double check.

Tom Maguire

7:41 AM  
Anonymous terraformer said...

Okay, thanks for the insightful commentary, Tom.

As I wrote yesterday, there is no rational reason to not allow this man to visit, and especially to have his views and his responses to probing questions of them spotlighted. I agree with everything that A.L. has written on this topic.

Is the real fear that by allowing Ahmadinejad to visit the WTC site and to be pressed on his stated views (and if misinterpreted, wouldn't this be an opportune chance to clarify them?) might pierce the umbrella of hate that has so permeated my country as of late?

My countrymen, get a worldview. Learn the reality of this world, and do not rely on sources with agendas to paint their own. Earnestly evaluate the views espoused by a variety of sources, and then make your own decisions.

8:31 AM  
Anonymous David Hunt said...

Mr. Maguire, Marshall did, indeed, write that. The Post can be found at:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/053780.php

Here is the relavent portion:

If we as a country were a person, I'd say grow up. Act like a man*. Have some self-respect.

* Yes, outdated language. But I know no non-gendered language that conveys the same meaning.


My appoloies for my ineptitude in posting links. I expect the url will show up as plain text. It will have to be copy/pasted to got to the article.

9:17 AM  
Blogger Seattle Man said...

"Remember, the primary goal in the war on terror is to reduce the appeal of al Qaeda's ideology among the world's Muslim population."

Not quite. While the danger from Jihadism is very real, it's also a useful prop for winning domestic elections.

10:37 AM  
Blogger A.L. said...

Not quite. While the danger from Jihadism is very real, it's also a useful prop for winning domestic elections.

I should say the primary goal in the war on terror should be to reduce the appeal of al Qaeda's ideology among the world's Muslim population

10:43 AM  
Anonymous oldtree said...

It is indicative of the average intelligence of our nation. It further shows that sheep are easily distracted when given the choice of being killed, or having a snack

11:23 AM  
Anonymous halteclere said...

Ahmadinejad was looking to attend a Q&A session at an American university? I had not heard that bit of news, but wow.

President Bush does not even attend Q&A sessions in America without first vetting the audience, and here is the political leader of Iran desiring to answer questions posed directly from "The Great Satan's" population!

What, is President Bush afraid that Ahmadinejad will reciprocate by offering him the same opportunity to speak at an Iranian university? Is Bush afraid of, as A.L. says, that we might learn something about our adversary?

(note, I blame Bush for this reactionary infantile opposition to Ahmadinejad. Not because of some desire to tie anything wrong to Bush but because, as the head of the U.S., he should have the greater view of how political heads of other countries are accommodated, and should request smaller and lower agencies to knock off the nonsense)

12:57 PM  
Anonymous SteveIL said...

A.L.,

You're characterization of the students at Columbia, after putting in the updates regarding Bill Kristol's piece in the Weekly Standard, defies description.

In the first paragraph (after quoting Kristol), you stated the following:

Moreover, it's highly unlikely that most Columbia students know anything about Ahmadenijad other than what people like Bill Kristol choose tell them.

At the beginning of the next paragraph, you said the following:

It's all very silly. Columbia students are adults and they are in school to learn.

So, what are Columbia students, mindless automatons easily coerced to believe the "neocon" Kristol, or thinking, cognizant adults?

If they attend the talk, they can, at the very least, come away hating a real person instead of a cartoonish caricature of one.

The record indicates just the opposite. Iran's Mohammed Khatami spoke at Harvard last year, and there was no outrage from anybody when he said it was legitimate for the Iranian government to hang homosexuals for being homosexuals. No outrage at all. I don't believe anybody at Columbia is going to treat, or be allowed to treat, Ahmadinejad any differently, or hate him. It would probably violate the school's political correctness code to hate Ahmadinejad, punishable by expulsion.

Why pass up a rare opportunity to gain valuable insight into the mind of an indisputably important--albeit unsavory--world figure.

Columbia refuses to allow Jim Gilchrist of the Minuteman to speak there. Gilchrist is accused of being a racist. Isn't Ahmadinejad a racist with all of his anti-Semitic rhetoric and calls for genocide against Israel? How does Ahmadinejad rate an audience at Columbia, while Gilchrist, who has never called for the deaths of illegal aliens, is not allowed to speak there without incident? And the real question is, what insight can Ahmadinejad provide that hasn't already been provided by Adolf Hitler?

The American thing to do is to confront objectionable ideas and the people who espouse them, not to put your fingers in your ears and ignore them.

Americans do confront objectionable ideas and the people who espouse them. They mock them, they ridicule them, they treat them with the disrespect they deserve. Somehow, I don't believe the cowardly Lee Bollinger would allow that at Columbia, even though Ahmadinejad deserves nothing less than mocking, ridicule, and disrespect. So does Bollinger.

11:03 PM  
Anonymous SteveIL said...

In 1933, Columbia University hosted Nazi Germany's ambassador to the U.S. In fact, they kept up their pro-Nazi agenda for the next few years, even when they knew the Nazis had fired all Jewish educators at the University of Heidelberg.

Now, one can understand Columbia officials being taken in by monsters who had not completely shown their full colors (the wholesale slaughter of Jews, Slavs, and Gypsies didn't begin for a few years), although the red flags should have been up.

Now, we have Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, "president" of Iran, coming to Columbia. He too shows the monstrous capabilities as Adolf Hitler, someone Columbia had been well-acquainted with. Yet, instead of learning from history, Columbia president Lee Bollinger seeks to repeat history by hosting the beast Ahmadinejad. It is the students who are losing, although they are being given an object lesson in how leftist anti-American toadies, like Bollinger, operate, and what not to do.

An investigation into how a complete anti-American dolt like Bollinger would be allowed to lead such a prestigious American university, and steps should be taken to put this jackass on the unemployment line where he deserves to be.

12:03 AM  
Blogger No Exit said...

Just One Minute has the annoying habit sometimes of simply removing my posts when they contain uncomfortable facts.

The bottom line is there is no reason not to listen to what President Ahmadinejad has to say at this delicate juncture in time.

No one seems to have visited the Columbia site to learn that President Ahmadinejad is only one of several foreign leaders from the area coming to Columbia to give talks as part of a broader educational goal of learning about the region.

I talk about this subject and others at my site david-sullivan.blogspot.com.

11:37 AM  
Blogger No Exit said...

wikiwiki

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (born October 28, 1956) is the 6th and current President of the Islamic Republic of Iran. He became president on 6 August 2005 after winning the 2005 presidential election by popular vote. Ahmadinejad's current term will end in August 2009, but he will be eligible to run for one more term in office in 2009 presidential elections.

Before becoming president, he was the Mayor of Tehran. He is the highest directly elected official in the country, but, according to Article 113 of Constitution of Iran, he has less total power than the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of Iran and has the final word in all aspects of foreign and domestic policies.

Ahmadinejad is an outspoken critic of the George W. Bush Administration and supports strengthened relations between Iran and Russia, Cuba, Venezuela , Syria and the Persian Gulf states. He has supported Iran's nuclear program declaring it is for peaceful purposes in spite of contrary demands by the United Nations Security Council to end it.

He was condemned internationally for calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map," and described the Holocaust as a "myth", leading to accusations of antisemitism. In response to these criticisms, Ahmadinejad said “No, I am not anti-Jew, I respect them very much.”

During his presidency, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad launched a gas rationing plan to reduce the country's fuel consumption, dissolved the Management and Planning Organisation of Iran and cut the interest rate for private and public banking facilities.

david-sullivan.blogspot.com

11:50 AM  
Blogger IAblogger said...

Remember How Iran Responded to the 9/11 Attacks?

With all the ruckus over the request of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's request to visit “Ground Zero” during his visit to New York to lay a wreath [1], it is somewhat worth remembering how Iran responded to the 9/11 attacks in 2001.

Knowing how short American memories are and knowing how many Americans share President Bush’s habit of conflating all U.S. opponents and enemies into some sort of utterly fictional “united front,” like the now famous “Axis of Evil” (none of whom had anything whatsoever to do with the 9/11 attacks); I began preparing in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. It was fully predictable that there would be an Islamaphobic backlash in the wake of the 9/11 attacks and that people with a vested interest in promoting anti-Muslim hatred would later try to equate the entire Islamic world with the attacks in New York and Washington DC. So, beginning on September 12, 2001, I began compiling the actual responses to the attacks by all the countries of the world with a Muslim majority regardless of their political standing or relationship with the United States. Visiting and saving snippets from official government outlets for these states (embassy websites, Ministries of Foreign Affairs, &c.) as well as searching the media for relevant articles discussing the reactions of these states, I saved all this data for the fifty-two states in question and put it online in the “International Islamic Response” website. After several moves to different hosts, I kept all this data and it can now be found online at: http://iir.internetactivist.org/

So what was Iran’s reaction to the 9/11 attacks?

"On behalf of the Iranian government and the nation, I condemn the hijacking attempts and terrorist attacks on public centers in American cities which have killed a large number of innocent people," President Khatami said in reaction to the worst attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor. ... "My deep sympathy goes out to the American nation, particularly those who have suffered from the attacks and also the families of the victims," he said, noting, "terrorism is doomed and the international community should stem it and take effective measures in a bid to eradicate it." Khatami added that the Islamic Republic of Iran is treading a road to uproot terrorism and to this end, he noted, it will spare no efforts.

And related news stories included:

“Iranians Honor U.S. with Moment of Silence” (NY Post)

“Khatami Condemns ‘Terrorist’ Attacks on U.S. Targets (People’s Daily, Iran)

“US calls Iran’s response ‘positive’” (Economic Times)

“Terror attacks transform U.S. image in Iran’s media” (Gulf News)

“Powell sees hope in Iran, Syria response to attack” (Reuters)

“'Iran News’ deplores attacks on major US landmarks” (Iran News)

“Iran expresses rare sympathy for U.S. over attacks” (Reuters)

“Iran ayatollah says he is heart-broke over U.S. attack” (Gulf News)

“Iran seals Afghanistan border” (AP)

All of this was saved in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 at http://iir.internetactivist.org/020.html though of course many of the links are no longer valid, being six years old.

The point was – and remains – to show that contrary to whatever the Islamaphobic hate-mongers might say today, the vast majority of the Islamic world, even including states that the US has had difficult relations with, were sympathetic and supportive in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. The whole supposition that there should be any problem with President Ahmadinejad laying a wreath at “Ground Zero” is just a statement of American ignorance, bigotry, and hated completely unjustified by anything Iran has done.

Anyway, to learn more about the response of the world’s majority Muslim countries in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, visit the International Islamic Response website at: http://iir.internetactivist.org/ Just click on any of the countries listed on the left to see how they responded. Just to save you some time, the ONLY majority Muslim states that were not sympathetic was Iraq (at the time under Saddam Hussein and suffering from US imposed sanctions that resulted in the death of over a million Iraqis [2]) and Afghanistan (then under the Taliban).

John S.

Notes:

[1] Pat Milton, "New York bans 'photo op' visit to Ground Zero by Iran's president," The Scotsman, 21 September 2007, http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1509712007

[2] Peace Action, “End Sanctions on Iraq,” Peace Action Education Fund, undated, http://www.peace-action.org/camp/justice/iraqfs.pdf

3:24 PM  
Anonymous casual observer said...

Kristol's published advice provides an excellent chance to gauge the amount of influence he has with the American public. If indeed the Iranian president speaks to an empty auditorium, then Mr. Kristol's voice must be very powerful and influential indeed.

but if the audience is packed, I suppose it must mean the opposite. Let's monitor this and see which alternative holds true.

4:02 PM  
Anonymous Splitting Image said...

I enjoyed your article, but let me suggest that there is a very good reason why "Right Wingers" don't want Ahmadinejad to speak and be forced to answer uncomfortable questions. The last thing they want to do is help train the next generation of the intellectual elite to ask religious demagogues the hard questions.

They might start getting ideas about standing up to the Republicans.

Aside to Steveil: It is perfectly legitimate for Iran to hang homosexuals for being homosexuals. Up until a few years ago it was a crime in some parts of your own country, and Iran can set whatever punishments they want for something that is internationally recognized as a crime.

6:41 PM  
Anonymous SteveIL said...

Splitting Image,

You are correct as the execution of homosexuals in this country had happened long ago. But, that doesn't happen anymore. My point is that the so-called "liberals" who want us to engage in discussion with an enemy of the U.S., a government who does hang homosexuals for being homosexuals, would at the same time chastise the U.S. for engage in discussion and trade with the same government if it were allied with the U.S. Know how I know this? These so-called "liberals" were happy as clams when Carter dumped U.S. support of the Shah. Can anyone say that Iran, and the rest of the world, has been better off since the 8th-century theocratic demogogues have been in power in that country? Many of these same "liberals" wish that Saddam were back because he kept Iraq quieter than it is now; that is, they didn't care about the atrocities he committed as long as they didn't know about it.

It is the hypocrisy of the left that I'm addressing.

4:29 AM  
Blogger Sue said...

Leaving aside for the moment the corectness or incorrectness of your view of the American political leadership (other posters had plenty to say on that topic), I wish to return to your starting point with "Kid Nation." I had such a different reaction to the program. After viewing the first program, I thought, I wish our leadership WAS like these children, the 8 to 12 year olds especially. With the exception of the two teenage boys, the children featured in "Kid Nation" behaved in a largely rational, reasonable fashion. It was telling that several of the young children expressed disgust with the two teenage boys behavior. I personally see our leadership as being rather like those teenage boys -- running around chalking "go blue" -- on everything.

10:00 AM  
Anonymous S.W. Anderson said...

"The opportunity to confront someone like Ahmadinejad in an open forum is rare indeed. We don't even get that kind of access to our leaders. When was the last time President Bush opened himself up to questions from a hostile audience?"

An excellent and telling question. After this evening's "60 Minutes," we might also ask when Bush last opened himself up to an interview with an Iranian reporter.

10:49 PM  
Anonymous S.W. Anderson said...

Regarding the likening of Bush, his cronies and backers to children doesn't work for me.

What they really are is intellectually stunted primitives who perceive the world, the thinking and affairs of individuals, groups and nations, in a stunted, two-dimensional way.

Columbia is to be commended for inviting Ahmadinejad to speak there. This is not done as a service to the Iranian, although if his is not a stunted intellect, he might learn something. It is in fact a service to the student body and faculty, and possibly to America overall, as it reaffirms we're not all intellectually stunted, two-dimensional thinkers.

I doubt Ahmadinejad will win many friends or positively influence many people when he holds forth at Columbia. Nor do I suppose he will become enamored of America and its college students.

None of those things matter much. What does matter — a lot — is that the chance for two-way enlightenment is trumping crackpot-grade patriotism and jingoistic ignorance.

11:07 PM  
Anonymous SteveIL said...

After this evening's "60 Minutes," we might also ask when Bush last opened himself up to an interview with an Iranian reporter.

Iranian "reporters" work for the state-owned media, unlike the reporters at "60 Minutes". Do you actually trust the state-owned media of a government that threatens annihilation, etc.?

If you answer "yes", I would say, "go figure".

7:14 AM  
Anonymous S.W. Anderson said...

SteveIL, I'm not sure what the problem would be if Bush were to grant an interview to an Iranian reporter, even if that reporter worked for a state-owned broadcaster or publication.

I suspect the result would be more interesting and enlightening than when Dick Cheney has one of his periodic "interviews" on Fox News, which is an operating extension of the Republican Party.

I also suspect more would be learned by people here and in Iran than when a paid, supposedly independent newspaper columnist like Armstrong Williams quizzes a high Bush administratio official. Likewise, for when a supposedly legitimate member of the White House press corps, who's really phony and a plant, like Jeff Guckert/Gannon, asks scripted questions at a press conference.

I don't think an Iranian reporter could be any worse for delivering accurate information, free of slant, than federal agency-paid actors and actresses presenting themselves as reporters in phony news reports that are given free to TV stations across the country, with no indication the segments are actually Bush administration propaganda.

As for a government a government that threatens annihilation, if memory serves me, that would've been the Soviet Union, when Nikita Kruschev ruefully declared, "We will bury you," at the U.N.

As we later learned, Kruschev's bark was worse than his bite. He actually feared and loathed the whole idea of mutual destruction.

If you are referring to Iran, my recollection is that Iranian leaders have made such statements about what Iran would do if attacked. Last time I checked, it was common practice for nations under threat to promise retaliation if attacked.

11:17 PM  

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