Tuesday, July 24, 2007

One Program or Two?

(updated below--twice)

According to Think Progress, Alberto Gonzales testified today that the secret program that prompted his late-night visit to John Ashcroft's hospital room was not the NSA warrantless surveillance program that the New York Times first disclosed in December 2005. Gonzales said:
The disagreement that occurred was about other intelligence activities and the reason for the visit to the hospital was about other intelligence activities. It was not about the terrorist surveillance program that the president announced to the American people.
This would appear to directly contradict what Gonzales himself said on June 5th:
Mr. Comey’s testimony related to a highly classified program which the president confirmed to the American people sometime ago. And, because it’s a highly classified program, I’m not going to comment on his testimony.
Think Progress concludes:
If Gonzales’ testimony is accurate today, then he is confirming the existence of a new administration spying program.
I'm not so sure. The other possibility is that Gonzales is being hyper-legalistic here. According to accounts of Comey and others, the program that prompted the hospital room showdown subsequently underwent significant changes before the DOJ was willing to sign off on it again. Presumably the OLC drafted a newer, more narrow legal opinion and the program was tailored to fit that opinion. I suspect that when Gonzales refers to the "Terrorist Surveillance Program," he is using the term in the narrowest possible sense, i.e., he is referring to the post-2004 version of the program, not its predecessor.

It's entirely possible that there are domestic surveillance programs that we don't yet know about and that the Comey-Ashcroft incident involved one of those other programs. But I don't think that is necessarily the case. Either way, though, the fact that Gonzales seems intent on keeping Congress totally in the dark by lying and obfuscating endlessly is totally unacceptable. He needs to be impeached.

UPDATE: Alberto Gonzales and Tony Snow might want to get their stories straight. Here's Tony Snow discussing James Comey's testimony, as reported by the New York Times:
Tony Snow, the White House spokesman, deflected questions about Mr. Comey’s testimony, but defended the N.S.A. program. Mr. Snow also noted that the Justice Department placed the program under the supervision of a special intelligence court earlier this year, which department officials said placed the program on an even firmer legal footing.

“Jim Comey can talk about whatever reservations he may have had, but the fact is that there were strong protections in there,” Mr. Snow said. “This is a program that saved lives, that is vital for national security, and furthermore has been reformed in a bipartisan way that is in keeping with everybody.”
Sure seems like Tony Snow thought Comey was talking about the Terrorist Surveillance Program.

UPDATE II: In his testimony today, Gonzales claimed that he corrected his June 5th statement (quoted above) two days later when his spokesman contacted Dan Eggen of the Washington Post. That must be a reference to this June 7th story by Dan Eggen, which contains the following graf roughly two-thirds of the way into the story:
Justice Department spokesman Brian Roehrkasse said the surveillance program "was always subject to rigorous oversight and review. . . . We have acknowledged that there have been disagreements about other intelligence activities, as one would expect."
I don't know what that means, but if that was intended to clarify that Comey was in fact testifying about some other surveillance program that has not yet been disclosed, it clearly did not accomplish its goal. If you read the rest of the story, it's clear that Dan Eggen himself didn't interpret the statement that way because he ends the article this way:
Bush confirmed the existence of the surveillance effort after news reports in December 2005, saying it was authorized after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and was vital to protecting the nation from terrorist attacks. The program has since been put under the auspices of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which oversees clandestine eavesdropping in the United States.
Clearly Eggen was under the impression that "the program" Comey testified about was the same program the president had confirmed the existence of in December 2005.
Digg!

4 Comments:

Anonymous David Hunt said...

I believe I agree with you. Gonzalez is habitually hyper-legalisitic in anything he says about the warrantless surveilance that the Adminsitration is engaged in. He is in a constant state of "spin" always tailoring his answers to be as uninforming and misleading as possible. If we ever find out what the Administration has really be doing for the past six years, I feel confindent that we will look at his sworn statements and wonder why people were concerned about how Bill Clinton dodged questions about Monica Lewinsky in his deposition. Clinton's responses would look direct and forthright in comparison.

1:36 PM  
Anonymous RandyH said...

Are people just now starting to think that there was more than one illegal wiretapping program? I had been under the impression from reading between the lines of past testimony of Gonzales and others' statements that they considered the "Terrorist Surveillance Program" which they have described as "calls where one end of the conversation is outside the country" to be one program and hinted that there are others where they are (presumably) listening to any "purely domestic" calls that they want - totally illegally. They have never tried to defend the latter and refuse to elaborate on it, but I think that is what there was so much objection to. I have suspected that these two programs were once just one program, but upon encountering so much resistance, they split the "purely domestic" operation into an even-more-secret program that they did not seek any kind of approval for, because no one would sign off on it.

Was I the only one thinking this? I wish I could find the past testimony and quotes from various books on the matter, but I read so much that I forget where I saw things months ago.

4:32 PM  
Blogger RandyH said...

One more thing. Watch these guys when they talk about the great importance of changing the FISA laws to allow for this kind of warrantless wiretapping. It's one of their highest priorities and Bush almost blew a gasket when the Congressional Republicans couldn't fit it into the schedule before they lost the House and Senate last year. He and Cheney really are desperate because they know that everybody involved can be prosecuted even after they leave office for this, unless they can manage to get the law changed retroactively.

4:41 PM  
Blogger JaO said...

A.L.

I agree that Gonzales is being, as you say, hyper-legalistic. The fact that he says the disagreement with Comey and others was about something beyond the TSP program Bush has confirmed is not new. Gonzales made that claim explicitly in his Feb. 6, 2006 testimony. (BTW, he was not under oath.)

Here is what was said then:

GONZALES: There has not been any serious disagreement -- and I think this is accurate -- there has not been any serious disagreement about the program that the president has confirmed. There have been disagreements about other matters regarding operations which I cannot get into. ...

I will also say

SCHUMER: But there was some -- I'm sorry to cut you off -- but there was some dissent within the administration. And Jim Comey did express, at some point -- that's all I asked you -- some reservations.

GONZALES: The point I want to make is that, to my knowledge, none of the reservations dealt with the program that we're talking about today. They dealt with operational capabilities that we're not talking about today.


Also, when Comey testified this year, he explicitly declined to say what particular program the 2004 disagreement was about. We still do not know for sure. Comey did testify that, after the confrontation with Bush in March 2004, the program in question was modified to conform to DOJ objections.

I think most close observers assume that modified program was what Bush confirmed in December 2005 after the New York Times revealed the NSA domestic spying and began calling the Terrorist Surveillance Program. The TSP -- which I believe was also illegal but apparently not so egregious -- continued after that, until January of 2007.

What is interesting is that both Sens. Feingold and Whitehouse, who as members of the Intelligence Committee say they have been briefed on some details, asserted today that Gonzales' testimony was misleading. The senators did not go so far as to say it was a lie. It is unlikely that just dissembling is actionable. (Gonzales is a dissembler; everyone already knew that.)

But what remains obvious is that some intelligence activities -- so seriously illegal that the whole top echelon of Justice and the FBI was willing to resign over them -- did take place for 2-1/2 years ending in March 2004. And, according to Gonzales' sworn testimony today, congressional leaders meeting in secret went along. What were those activities? We have speculated about that question before.

5:37 PM  

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