Tuesday, July 17, 2007

Health Care Nonsense

In his latest column, John Stossel mocks Michael Moore and explains why our health care system would be so much better if we just allowed the free market to work its magic. He writes:

America's medical system has problems, but profit is the least of it. Government mandates, overregulation and a tax code that pushes employer-paid health insurance prevent the free market from performing its efficient miracles. Six out of seven health-care dollars are spent by third parties. That kills the market. Patients rarely shop around, and doctors rarely compete on price or service.
It's always the knee-jerk free market worshipers like Stossel who are the most clueless about how markets actually work. Stossel thinks that the problem with our system is that third parties (i.e. insurers) pay for most services. The implication is that if people paid out-of-pocket for medical costs, they would be more cost-conscious and would shop around for better deals, thereby forcing providers to compete and lower prices. This makes sense until you actually switch on your brain for more than three seconds, at which point you realize that it's total nonsense.

First, and most obviously, health care services are not like TVs and stereos. While some services are elective (and these are already paid for out-of-pocket), the vast majority of medical services are not. If you have a heart attack, you are whisked away to the nearest hospital and operated on. There is no time or opportunity to shop and compare rates. Even for non-emergency care, you usually don't know what you need until you've seen a doctor. And at that point, it's not very realistic to expect people to get second and third opinions and compare prices ("please don't treat me, doc, I'm just browsing"). Going to the doctor is a major inconvenience, usually requiring time off work. People don't like doing it. They just want to be treated and leave. And many don't even have the option of shopping around. If you don't live in or near a big city, your options are generally limited. Many people only have one hospital in their area.

Moreover, not being doctors themselves, most people lack the knowledge necessary to meaningfully compare services. Sure, they might be able to determine who's cheaper, but that doesn't really help. If anything, I'd be tempted to go with the most expensive provider, on the assumption that what costs more is better quality. I may be willing to buy the bargain brand toilet paper, but when it comes to my life, I'm not fooling around.

Perhaps most devastating to this argument, though, is the reality that when people are forced to pay out-of-pocket for medical expenses, they generally stop going in for routine preventative care and monitoring. This results in worse health outcomes (and unnecessary deaths), and has the perverse effect of raising health care costs. Preventative care has repeatedly been shown to reduce overall costs by heading off (i.e. preventing) the occurrence of conditions that are much more expensive to treat.

Finally, there's a reason why we rely on insurance to pay health care costs. It's the same reason we have car insurance and home owner's insurance: without pooling risk, the costs would be unmanageable. Most people don't have the financial resources to pay out-of-pocket to settle a lawsuit with another motorist or rebuild their home after a fire or pay for a heart transplant. The only way such things would ever be affordable to an average person is through participation in a large risk pool (i.e. buying an insurance policy).

The rest of Stossel's column is devoted to tired cliches about how the private sector is more efficient than the public sector. This is of course true in many cases, but not particularly useful in the health care context, where nearly every system in the world necessarily relies on a mixture of government and private sector services and money.

Toward the end of the column, Stossel offers this challenge:

I'll pay you $1,000 if you can name one thing government does more efficiently than the private sector.
That's pretty easy actually. The government provides health insurance to the elderly much more efficiently than the private sector possibly could. I don't see how this can be argued. What does Stossel think would happen if we suddenly did away with Medicare?

The reason the government has to insure the elderly is because private insurance would be prohibitively expensive to most people. As you get older, the odds that you will need expensive health care services dramatically increase, thereby making you a much greater insurance risk. This coincides with you dropping out of the work pool and having less income. Put simply, absent Medicare, most elderly people would not be able to afford insurance and would not have the resources to pay for costs out-of-pocket. That's why we created Medicare in the first place.

Medicare's costs may be soaring, but that's not because Medicare is inefficient. It actually has a remarkably low overhead. Costs are soaring because health care costs in general are soaring due to the proliferation of new medical technologies and treatments.

There is simply no way that the private sector could provide health care to all elderly people in this country at anything near the efficiency of Medicare. John Stossel owes me $1000 dollars.
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30 Comments:

Mark said...

Finally, there's a reason why we rely on insurance to pay health care costs. It's the same reason we have car insurance and home owner's insurance: without pooling risk, the costs would be unmanageable.

This is a faulty analogy. Most people use their car insurance and home owner's insurance for catastrophic occurences. Nobody files an insurance claim if they have a flat tire - they pay for that out of their own pocket. People will file insurance claims for non-catastrophic, routine occurences in the USA, rather than pay cash up front.

Having had to use Canada's version of medicare for years, I'll admit it is better for covering catastrophic occurences such as heart attacks and cancer. However, having used hospitals in Japan and the USA, I've come to the conclusion that for the "minor" every day stuff, most responsible adults above the poverty line really should have the cash on hand (or an insurance policy) to pay for broken legs, trips to the dermatologist, and regular check ups. It tooks the better part of four months to have a cyst on my back looked at in Canada. When it became infected it took less than two weeks to have it examined and removed. Private insurance covered most of it, but the $50 I ended up paying in user fees was well worth it - you really do get what you pay for sometimes.

7:26 AM  
Anonymous said...

I think the true target of Stossel's article is "a tax code that pushes employer-paid health insurance." Even though the introduction of his article contends that third party payers as a whole are bad for the free market, he never mentions for-profit insurance companies. His assertion would fall apart if he brought them into the argument.

The for-profit insurance companies are already operating in a more or less free market. They choose which doctors are part of their preferred provider networks. They negotiate prices and if they decide a doctor isn't asking a fair price, they exclude him from the network. Doctors compete to be part of these networks, and, likewise, the for-profit insurance companies compete for customers.

It seems to me that Stossel is carrying water for the President. I hear subtle echoes of the President's plan to change the tax code so those who receive employer provided insurance have to pay tax on it as if it were income when the value of the benefit exceeds a certain amount. Yes, those of us who don't have employer provided health insurance will get a tax break for what we pay our private insurers up to that certain amount, but who are the big winners? Big employers and for-profit insurers. Big employers would win because they would no longer be required to provide insurance for their employees. For-profit insurers would win because the tax break would tilt the scales enough to get a significant number of people off Medicaid and buying health insurance. Even more than that, for-profit insurers would win because of the reduction in negotiating strength of individual consumers. A large corporation can negotiate a much better rate for its collective employees than a single individual -- even if that individual has the ability to shop around and apply free market principles.

8:11 AM  
John said...

Ask Stossel is he proposes privatizing the VA which is actually one of the purest forms of socialized medicine in the world.

8:53 AM  
A.L. said...

Both excellent comments. Merging them together, I think you're right that what Stossel is angling for is a system where insurance is decoupled from employment and people buy cheaper, high-deductible policies that only cover catastrophic costs, thereby forcing them to pay out-of-pocket for everything else.

There are many problems with such a system. As I pointed out in my post, high-deductible policies discourage people from getting routine preventative care, thereby leading to worse health outcomes and higher overall costs.

Secondly, as anonymous points out, the reason we currently utilized employer-mandates in our system is because employers are better able to negotiate prices and cover people who could not purchase individual insurance. When you decouple health insurance from employment (without providing some government alternative) it decreases consumer bargaining power and allows the insurance companies to cherry-pick who they will cover. This is the worst of both worlds. It results in more uninsured people and it virtually guarantees that people will get inferior coverage.

8:59 AM  
Anonymous said...

Stossel oversimplifies, but then again, so do you. We can argue about what services should be considered "elective", but it seems to me that there are quite a few treatments and drugs that would be used much less frequently if the patients in question were required to pay more than a token payment for them. How many people do you know that were actively seeking treatment for "restless leg syndrome" before that drug company started pushing its product, and how many do you think would be paying for that rather expensive drug if a significant slice of the cost came out of their own pockets? I know people who have regularly-scheduled (and expensive) physical therapy for what sounds like no more than the many aches and pains that come with aging. (Believe me, I am well-aquainted with such aches and pains.) And don't even get me started on chiropractors and other quack therapies than many insurers have been forced to cover. Ironically, the nationalized medicine that you seem to favor, despite its many drawbacks, would probably go a long way toward limiting such abuse of the system. Without even asking, I am willing to bet that there's not a nationalized system out there that covers presciptions for "restless leg syndrome". I suspect that those that see nationalized medicine as providing everything to everyone would be in for a rude shock. The government has shown that it is good at mandating coverage. They may be less generous when they have to pay for it.

9:09 AM  
David Hunt said...

Good luck getting that $1000.00 from him. I expect that he'll be swamped with responses similiar to yours. I immediately thought of Medicare when you quoted his offer. In deference to having found the offer, I'll defer the chance to collect to you. Afterall, it's not like I believe he was being anymore truthful with the offer than he was with the rest of his article

9:09 AM  
Michael said...

School me, please. Why is it ok for there to be 'socialized medicine' vets? What is the talking point du jour on that? (not snark... I'm really curious.)

9:28 AM  
A.L. said...

Stossel oversimplifies, but then again, so do you. We can argue about what services should be considered "elective", but it seems to me that there are quite a few treatments and drugs that would be used much less frequently if the patients in question were required to pay more than a token payment for them.

But I never suggested otherwise. The problem is that when you force people to pay out-of-pocket, not only do they not get their "restless leg syndrome" treated, they also fail to get routine preventative care. In other words, they don't get the necessary stuff either. This results in worse health outcomes and higher costs.

What happens in nationalized system (like Medicare) is that the government decides which treatments are covered. The rest you have to pay out-of-pocket. There's nothing unusual about that.

9:40 AM  
Chris said...

Should we also "privatize" our police force?

Should we let the "free market" determine how much the investigation of a rape case should be?

Should rape victims get a bill in the mail from the police department demanding $15,000 for DNA testing and various investigative expenses?

No?

Didn't think so.

Nor should we bankrupt a woman just because she has breat cancer.

9:42 AM  
Anonymous said...

a.l.: I agree. Unfortunately, I don't really trust the government to decide what should and should not be covered. They have shown themselves to be very susceptible to political pressures from special-interest groups. That is not to suggest that I am opposed to the concept of nationalized health care. At this point, I suspect that it is inevitable, and no one can deny that the existing system is a mess.

9:47 AM  
Chris said...

Let’s say your 14 year old daughter is walking home from school. Two guys grab her, pull her into a van and assault her. They drive away and she comes home and tearfully tells you she’s been attacked.

You go to the Police Dept for help and they ask to see you “public safety insurance card” and you’re informed that the $1,000 deductible will need to be in advance before any statements can be taken or evidence collected. When you explain that your “public safety insurance” has lapsed because you’ve been out of work (factory closed and relocated to Mexico) the cheerful front desk officer explains, “Oh! In that case you’ll need to pay an up front rape investigation fee of $5,000 for an initial investigation and any additional expenses or procedures, such as DNA analysis, will need to be paid up front before any services can be rendered. Investigations lasting longer than 3 days will be billed in 30 blocks at $225 a day. Will that be cash, check or credit?”

See how the free market makes rape investigations so much cheaper and more efficient!

9:50 AM  
Anonymous said...

All I know is that my insurance deductible is $300 a month! So off the bat I’m spending ($300 x 12 months) $3, 600 every year and I haven’t used a single service yet! And when I do see a doctor (the one assigned to me by the Supreme Soviet, er, I mean Blue Cross. Free choice my ass) I STILL PAY co-pay. I get a prescription and I STILL PAY for that.

What a great deal! Now let’s take a look at (gasp!) taxes.

Gosh, how much is taken out in taxes out of my paycheck? Less than $300..

And in return I get the largest (and most expensive) military in the world.

Cops.

Fire/rescue

Basic education.

Highways.

Let’s even toss the local library in there too!

So bust out the crayons and explain to me in simple language how my taxes – which are less per month than just my health insurance premium alone – can provide me with all of that, yet, I’m supposed to believe that if you increased my taxes by five, six, hell, even ten bucks that would be a “rip off” and a “burden” according to Republicans. I just don’t get it.

10:04 AM  
A.L. said...

I don't really trust the government to decide what should and should not be covered. They have shown themselves to be very susceptible to political pressures from special-interest groups.

Fair enough, but it's important to understand that this is the system we already have (at least if you're on Medicare or Medicaid). These decisions are made by the Center for Medicare and Medicaid, a federal agency. And that agency has a pretty good track record of not politicizing coverage decisions.

There's not perfect way to do this, but I don't see how the decisions made by CMS are inherently more problematic than having these same decisions made by some random HMO administrator.

11:07 AM  
KM said...

We can argue about what services should be considered "elective", but it seems to me that there are quite a few treatments and drugs that would be used much less frequently if the patients in question were required to pay more than a token payment for them.

Major randomised control trials have shown that the rate of inappropriate antibiotic use, hospital admission and length of stay are the same with and without user fees to patients. Moreover, in Canada's universal medicare programme, only about 10% of expenditures are patient-initiated.

And BTW, restless leg syndrome is a completely uncontroversial neurological condition and is one of the first things investigated if you have a sleep disorder (an overnight sleep lab study will determine if you've got RLS). Moreover, lifestyle changes, not medication, are usually the primary treatment.

11:14 AM  
Anonymous said...

A.L.: As I said, I'm not particularly happy with the current system, but that doesn't mean that I can't point out that a nationalized system will probably have its own problems. The former is driven by profit; the latter is driven by politics. Also, I'm not concerned with the decisions of those that administer Medicare and Medicaid; they seem fairly reasonable and apolitical. Unfortunately, they must answer to Congress, and as we all know, it's the best Congress that money can buy. Congress has a history of mandating coverage in response to political pressure.

11:53 AM  
DUDACKATTACK!!! said...

"I'll pay you $1,000 if you can name one thing government does more efficiently than the private sector."

Okay, dumbass. I hope you got deep pockets.

1.) Deliver 703 million pieces of mail pre day from coast to coast in 3-5 days at a starting cost of 40 cents. Compare that with private carrier rates.

2.) Maintain roads, highways, bridges - construction, paving and lighting. Again, see what a private construction contractor would charge.

3.) Amtrak and local rail systems. Not the best in the world partly due to low govt. subsidies (1/5th of what they pay to private airlines) but they run on time more than private airlines.

12:46 PM  
Anonymous said...

DUDACKATTACK!!!: "Maintain roads, highways, bridges - construction, paving and lighting. Again, see what a private construction contractor would charge."

Call me confused, but I was under the impression that most of this work WAS being done by private construction contractors.

12:59 PM  
Christopher said...

A little off topic, but I want a piece of that $1000.

War. War and fighting wars is something that governments undeniably do better than private contractors. In the medieval times and the middle ages, armies were composed mostly of mercenaries who made their money through a combination of payments from the employer (the king) and the promise of pillage. After paying for mercenaries and raising an army, keeping the army supplied was up to the army itself, which would usually prey on the food stores and livestock around them, wherever they might be (be it friendly territory or enemy territory). This arrangement was incredibly inefficient. During the English Civil War, Oliver Cromwell's New Model Army, with conscription or recruiting, and pay and supply supply provided by the government, created a much more reliable and flexible fighting force. Imagine (for better or worse , I suppose) contracting the fighting of World War I or II. What company in their right mind would accept the risk involved? With all the loss of life and materiel, who could possibly turn a profit in prosecuting those wars to their conclusion? There are things in life that are important and difficult and nessecary, even if a profit can't be turned from them. That's where the government excels.

1:29 PM  
Anonymous said...

Christopher: I don't disagree with your point, but would like to point out that not all mercenary forces relied on foraging for supplies, and that non-mercenary forces of the same period often did.

1:43 PM  
C2H50H said...

Of course, differentiating mercenary troops from non-mercenary troops was frequently arbitrary. The rules on looting being what they were (nonexistent), mercenary in the context of war meant a different thing than it does today -- where it apparently means having a 401K or profit-sharing deal.

What I find hard to fathom in the greater context is how one can say, with a straight face and apparent sincerity, that for-profit insurance companies can provide better coverage for those they refuse to insure, whose only coverage is through Medicare.

3:41 PM  
Mark said...

Okay, dumbass. I hope you got deep pockets.

1.) Deliver 703 million pieces of mail pre day from coast to coast in 3-5 days at a starting cost of 40 cents. Compare that with private carrier rates.


It's against the law for private carriers to have lower rates than the post office. Private carriers can do it cheaper, they just aren't allowed to do so because of federal legislation.

4:20 PM  
ibfamous said...

isn't the iraq war a perfect example of how ineffective/useless the private sector can be when out of their element...

4:48 PM  
Anonymous said...

employer-paid health insurance prevent the free market from performing its efficient miracles

Can someone, PLEASE, point out to these free marketeer morons, that the market is efficient at delivering money to stockholders, not in delivering services to people who can't aford them.

5:18 PM  
Roger Ritthaler said...

John Stossel is basically correct.
The problems in "illness care" are caused by government distortions by taxing/borrowing to pay for favored people and the lack of competition in insurance. All of this raises the price and will continue to do so. More government involvement will only lead to scarcity and rationing.

10:21 PM  
Quiddity said...

Stossel has been a liar for years. When it came to global warming, he touted the much derided petition of 17,000 anybodies - and presented it as some sort of scientific consensus. I posted on it (and it ended up being a reference item at Wikipedia for Stossel, which was great)

10:29 PM  
Roger Ritthaler said...

DUDACKATTACK, what planet do you live on?

1. That 40-cent (actually 41-cent now) stamp is subsidized.

2. The government maintains roads, highways, and bridges? When was the last time you drove? They're all in terrible shape - except the new ones which they keep building.

3. There is no comparison between Amtrak and the "private" airlines - on anything. That's like comparing a prune to apples.

The solution is not more government subsidies: it is none.

10:35 PM  
Anonymous said...

As for Stossel's $1000 challenge, what about the armed services?

Compare what an American soldier costs the U.S. taxpayer, and compare that to what we are paying for a Blackwater or other private mercenary in Iraq.

Nancy Irving

11:10 PM  
huricane said...

Let's have a look at one of those evil socialistic health care plans in Alberta Canada.

Alberta residents pay a health care insurance premium. This premium costs $44 per month for one adult. Family coverage costs $88 per month. These figures are unsubsidized; low income people can access a variety of subsidization programs to reduce this cost. Figures are available at http://www.health.gov.ab.ca/ahcip/ahcip_premiums.html

For this outrageous amount, I can walk into any clinic or hospital in the province, and get treated for virtually anything. If my condition is urgent, my priority is revised upward and I get treated sooner.

I recall paying $20 per day out of pocket for a semi-private room a while back, and an extra $10 for a fibreglass cast on my arm.

Oh, and senior citizens pay no premiums at all, as of 2004.

Yes, there may be some wait time for certain procedures; my mom waited six weeks for a hip replacement.

The point is, you CAN have full publicly-funded system that provides excellent care at a reasonable cost.

10:18 AM  
Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
a.l.: I agree. Unfortunately, I don't really trust the government to decide what should and should not be covered. They have shown themselves to be very susceptible to political pressures from special-interest groups"


I never can grasp the convoluted concept that we must not trust the government (We the people)because they are too susceptible to political pressure. Apparently you aren't aware that none of these federal programs were politicized until Bush came into power and now requires that anyone he appoints must be a staunch Bush supporter. They don't have to be qualified only obedient to the GOP agenda. To not trust a government that has to answer to the people and our oversight vs. a private for-profit corporation who only answers to the stockholders (and apparently even that is going to the wayside) is just plain crazy. Go see "Sicko". It might make you rethink your sad, little brainwashed mind. There is no "free" in free market my friend

12:15 PM  
Anonymous said...

Anonymous: "I never can grasp the convoluted concept that we must not trust the government (We the people)because they are too susceptible to political pressure. Apparently you aren't aware that none of these federal programs were politicized until Bush came into power and now requires that anyone he appoints must be a staunch Bush supporter."

Do you truly believe that political pressure - and politicians acquiescing to political pressure - started with Bush? That Bush was the first to require that his appointees be supporters? If so, then you have clearly passed the "too dumb to argue with" limit.

12:09 PM  

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