Data Mining
In a significant development, both the New York Times and Washington Post are reporting tonight that the disagreement which prompted the showdown in John Ashcroft's hospital room in 2004 involved NSA data mining activities. This story was clearly leaked by sources friendly to Alberto Gonzales in an effort to push back against the growing consensus that he intentionally misled Congress regarding whether there was dissent within the DOJ as to the legality of the "Terrorist Surveillance Program."
This new revelation is obviously highly relevant to the perjury analysis in my previous post.
In a nutshell, the sources who are leaking to the Times and Post are defending Gonzales' claim that "there has not been any serious disagreement about the program that the president has confirmed" by claiming that the objections raised by James Comey, Jack Goldsmith, and other DOJ officials in 2004 related not to the Terrorist Surveillance Program, but to data-mining activities that the President has not yet confirmed. Therefore, the argument goes, Gonzales was not technically lying when he testified that the Ashcroft hospital episode was related not to the TSP, but to "other activities."
Let me start by pointing out what seems to be a flaw in this argument. For this defense to even arguably work, it has to be true that Comey and Goldsmith's objections were limited to data-mining activities and in no way pertained to any of the activities the President confirmed in December of 2005. But this graf from the Post piece seems to undercut that claim:
To resolve this, someone is going have to get James Comey, Jack Goldsmith, John Ashcroft, or someone else with direct knowledge of the controversy to testify in more depth about what the disagreement actually encompassed. I suspect that the answer to this question will not help Gonzales.
It's also worth pointing how breathtakingly hypocritical these leaks are. For years, the Bush administration has refused to acknowledge that it was involved in data-mining activities. When the USA Today reported in May 2006 that the administration was engaged in widespread data-mining, President Bush hastily convened a press conference in which he claimed that his administration was "not mining or trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans." He also noted angrily that "every time sensitive intelligence is leaked, it hurts our ability to defeat this enemy."
Now the existence of data-mining activities is being confirmed by anonymous administration officials--almost surely at the behest of the White House--solely in an effort to defend Alberto Gonzales from perjury charges. How typical of this administration.
I'll have more to say on this once I've had the time to gather my thoughts and read through some old press reports and administration comments. Stay tuned.
This new revelation is obviously highly relevant to the perjury analysis in my previous post.
In a nutshell, the sources who are leaking to the Times and Post are defending Gonzales' claim that "there has not been any serious disagreement about the program that the president has confirmed" by claiming that the objections raised by James Comey, Jack Goldsmith, and other DOJ officials in 2004 related not to the Terrorist Surveillance Program, but to data-mining activities that the President has not yet confirmed. Therefore, the argument goes, Gonzales was not technically lying when he testified that the Ashcroft hospital episode was related not to the TSP, but to "other activities."
Let me start by pointing out what seems to be a flaw in this argument. For this defense to even arguably work, it has to be true that Comey and Goldsmith's objections were limited to data-mining activities and in no way pertained to any of the activities the President confirmed in December of 2005. But this graf from the Post piece seems to undercut that claim:
One source familiar with the NSA program said yesterday that there were widespread concerns inside the intelligence community in 2003 and 2004 over how much Internet and telephone data mining could occur, as well as about the NSA's direct intercepts of communications without court approval.That last part, the concern over warrantless direct intercepts, certainly seems to relate to the activities the President disclosed. Moreover, if prior reporting is to be believed, Comey and Goldsmith's concerns had to do with the legal justification for operating outside of FISA. If that's true, then their concerns were not limited to data-mining, but applied to virtually everything the Bush administration was doing.
To resolve this, someone is going have to get James Comey, Jack Goldsmith, John Ashcroft, or someone else with direct knowledge of the controversy to testify in more depth about what the disagreement actually encompassed. I suspect that the answer to this question will not help Gonzales.
It's also worth pointing how breathtakingly hypocritical these leaks are. For years, the Bush administration has refused to acknowledge that it was involved in data-mining activities. When the USA Today reported in May 2006 that the administration was engaged in widespread data-mining, President Bush hastily convened a press conference in which he claimed that his administration was "not mining or trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans." He also noted angrily that "every time sensitive intelligence is leaked, it hurts our ability to defeat this enemy."
Now the existence of data-mining activities is being confirmed by anonymous administration officials--almost surely at the behest of the White House--solely in an effort to defend Alberto Gonzales from perjury charges. How typical of this administration.
I'll have more to say on this once I've had the time to gather my thoughts and read through some old press reports and administration comments. Stay tuned.



18 Comments:
I also read those stories. In the New Your Times piece, I was shocked when they claimed that the data mining only involved "meta data" and explicitly stated that it did not involve the actual body of the emails or the (transcripted) conversations from phone calls. BULLSHIT!
I've long been under the impression that this was an automated multi-language voice recognition and transcription system (consisting of at least hundreds, if not thousands of supercomputer-class machines) that, once it flagged someone for the use of a suspicious phrase, would find other entities contacted by the flagged "suspect" and flag them for monitoring as well. And so on and so on... No probable cause, but it creates an ever-expanding web of "suspects" to monitor all phone calls and email threads of the whole class of "suspects." This would form a massive database to then be data-mined. The system also used the giant database of telephone company call/billing records to flag other related entities that had any relation to one of its "suspects." The potential for abuse of such a system is tremendous. It could potentially spread its web over a significant percentage of the (totally innocent) US population, transcribing and storing everything in real time. These weren't PEOPLE listening in on calls, but computers listening in to thousands and thousands of calls simultaneously, running them through voice-recognition and storing them as transcripts and audio files for mining and review.
When particular conversations were flagged for review, the NSA generated many thousands of leads for the CIA and FBI to follow up on. The FBI's (domestic) leads were cleaned up a bit so as not to show the (illegal) source but the CIA's (foreign/domestic) leads were provided in their entirety. From what I've read, almost none of the domestic "leads" provided to the FBI turned out to be of any value at all.
At least that's what I gathered from James Risen's "State of War," who was also the author if the NYT story (plus other tech sources as well.) Some of this may also come from a couple other books but I'm not entirely sure which ones. I read alot.
Creepy stuff and definitely illegal - but that's why they decided that they could not comply with FISA. They didn't even know for sure who was to be monitored, as the system would "crawl" to wherever the flags led it in the communications network based on what it finds.
I suspect that up until 2004, when Ashcroft needed surgery, he never looked into the details of what the NSA system did and just signed off on it. But Comey might have wanted to know more before renewing approval. When he found out that it was operating the way it did, he objected and others joined him. Then they somehow scaled down the program to squeak out some basic level of legal sign-off, naming the modified version of the program "Terrorist Surveillance Program" and Gonzales has been treating the new version as a whole different program in some of his testimony. All of the disabled "features" are now referred to as "other intelligence activities" - that no one is willing to talk about. And once Gonzales became the guy to do the sign-offs, who knows if they haven't gone and re-enabled all of the features? It wouldn't surprise me. Remember that when Negroponte moved from DNI to Sate Dept, it was rumored that he wasn't comfortable with the increased level of wiretap surveillance that Cheney was insisting upon and moved over to save his own ass, and they replaced him with someone more "loyal."
I have just re-read both of those articles and A.L. is absolutely right. These leaks, while they do give a little more information, were designed to misdirect us. The Republican PR spin machine is so good at what it does that this will probably throw alot of the coverage off and may make it look like AG is not explicitly perjuring himself. But they have opened up a new can of worms at the same time. Keep pressing it further guys. This is about a whole lot more than perjury, which everyone involved is actually guilty of... provided we can get a special prosecutor who can be granted security clearance to find out what this thing really does.
I suspect the issue is the source and quantity of the data being "mined". If the NSA was collecting and mining, say, every phone call, email, etc. to or from the Washington, D.C. metro area ... would'nt that be a bit of a problem politically, in that it would include all communications to/from every member of Congress?
AL: "It's also worth pointing how breathtakingly hypocritical these leaks are."
I think you're making a very key point that's being generally overlooked and deserves greater emphasis. I'm mostly just going to summarize and emphasize what you said.
As we all know, NYT just said this (7/29/07):
A 2004 dispute over the National Security Agency’s secret surveillance program that led top Justice Department officials to threaten resignation involved computer searches through massive electronic databases, according to current and former officials briefed on the program.
In other words, Bush was doing data mining until he stopped because Ashcroft et al threatened to resign. And for reasons that have been discussed, this revelation arguably makes AGAG look like less of a perjurer.
But notice what Bush said on 5/11/06:
We're not mining or trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans
Let's consider two ways of interpreting that statement:
A) We don't do data mining currently, and we haven't done data mining in the past.
B) We don't do data mining currently, but we used to, for a couple of years, and we only stopped because Ashcroft et al threatened to resign over it.
A and B are quite different. I think it's pretty clear that Bush was hoping we would hear A, when it fact it now appears that the underlying reality was B. (And that's giving Bush some benefit-of-the-doubt, because it involves assuming that there's really been no data mining since 3/04.)
We shouldn't stop talking about AGAG's serial dissembling, but this has also now become a moment to focus on Dubya's own dissembling.
Also, a key underlying question all along was this: what exactly was it that Bush was doing, that was so egregious that Ashcroft et al threatened to resign over it? That question hasn't ever really gotten enough emphasis, I think. But this latest White House attempt to bail out AGAG provides a very large opening to refocus on that question.
Wingnuts are going to be yelling something like this: 'libs are helping the terrorists by demanding information about a secret program.' But that's very bogus, for multiple reasons. First of all, it's important to remember that the program we're now discussing is no longer an active program (supposedly). It ended in 2004 (supposedly). So what's the harm in talking about a program that's no longer a program? Keeping it secret seems to be motivated only by a desire to protect Bush from being accountable for doing something that he probably never should have done to begin with.
Another angle on this. If the program was really so crucial in keeping us safe (which is something one needs to believe, in order to argue that talking about it is a dangerous thing), then why did Bush ever stop? One way or another, he could have and should have found a way to continue. For example, he could have simply let Ashcroft et al resign. This is called sticking to your guns. Or he could have gone to his rubber-stamp GOP Congress and asked them for new law to satisfy Ashcroft's concerns. Instead, he simply ended the program. This tends to create the impression that it wasn't that crucial to our safety, to begin with. Which means that it shouldn't be such a big deal to talk about it openly now.
Then again, it's possible that the program was simply very, very wrong. This would explain why Ashcroft et al threatened to resign. It would also explain why Bush chose to cave in to Ashcroft (to avoid the story becoming public pre-election). It would also explain why only at this late date, under duress, are we getting hints from Bush that he ever did such a thing. After leading us to believe, years ago, that this is something he would never do.
So I think the focus now should be this: why did you do data mining? If it was both important and legal, why did you stop? And if you really thought it was legal, why are you admitting it only now? And if you're really not doing it anymore, and there was nothing illegal about it, why is it important to still be so secretive about it?
Something else, on a different angle.
I can't find a transcript for Mueller's testimony of 7/26. And for some reason I'm having a hard time viewing the streaming video from C-SPAN. But somewhere I read a chunk of testimony (and now I can't remember where I read it) which I think is important and also generally overlooked. If I remember correctly, it went something like this:
Q: Did you have any deep concerns about TSP?
A: Yes.
In other words, Mueller answered the question without any weasel-words like "I had concerns about a certain NSA program." The exchange made it clear he was talking about TSP, not some other entity.
This is important, because it's at odds with AGAG saying no one had concerns about what Bush talked about. Because what Bush talked about is TSP.
Anyway, I wonder if anyone can help nail down this chunk of testimony, one way or another.
Here's my question - Why is the very existence of these programs so top secret that even acknowledging that they exist is treasonous?
Electronic eavesdropping, data mining, and other forms of spying/surveillance are not new. Stories were published about them long before 9/11. Remember the movie "Enemy of the State?"
If I were a terrorist (imported or domestic,) a drug smuggler/dealer, or a memeber of organized crime, I would assume that the government would be watching me. If they weren't yet, they could start anyday, warrants or no warrants.
I would expect taps on my phones, bugs in my home, car or office, my mail opened, everything. And even if I made phone calls from some random phone booth, I would expect all international calls to be monitored.
The spy business goes back to Biblical days. You might call it the second oldest profession.
Is there anyone on this planet who doesn't know that we have an organization called the CIA? Doesn't Osama already know we are looking for him? DOH!
So why is all this soooo secret that it can't even be mentioned by name?
Unless it's like the "Secret War in Laos." Remember that one?
The Laotians knew about it, and so did the North Vietnamese (who probably told the Russians and Chinese too.)
It was only kept secret from the American people. I guess we didn't have the "need to know."
I would wonder how the ABA would react to finding that the email and telephone traffic between themselves and their clients isn't even a little bit confidential. As well, since the admin went to great lengths to track financial networks, how many financial institutions got caught up in the net as they wired, emailed instructions, took calls to move clients' funds? Client priviledge? Not so much.
Thank you for your critical analysis on this. Keep going.
For this defense to even arguably work, it has to be true that Comey and Goldsmith's objections were limited to data-mining activities and in no way pertained to any of the activities the President confirmed in December of 2005. But this graf from the Post piece seems to undercut that claim:
One source familiar with the NSA program said yesterday that there were widespread concerns inside the intelligence community in 2003 and 2004 over how much Internet and telephone data mining could occur, as well as about the NSA's direct intercepts of communications without court approval.
The only program that Bush confirmed involved calls made overseas. Its entirely possible that the NSA was listening into purely domestic calls.
One more question that seems to have been ignored is this:
When Bush told Ashcroft, Comey, Goldsmith, Mueller et al. that "the program" would henceforth comply with their legal standards, did he honestly mean it?
Or did he tell them what they wanted to hear and decide they were no longer on a need-to-know basis on what was really going on, if they were going to start being "disloyal" (i.e. not going along unquestioningly with whatever he Decided, like Gonzales)?
We don't know right now, but it certainly seems like a question that warrants asking, and looking into. They have been deceptive in so many instances to so many people, I don't see a good reason for taking for granted that they were perfectly forthright with their former DoJ leadership.
I also read those stories. In the New Your Times piece, I was shocked when they claimed that the data mining only involved "meta data" and explicitly stated that it did not involve the actual body of the emails or the (transcripted) conversations from phone calls. BULLSHIT!
I suspect we're being insufficiently attentive to alternative parsings of the administration statements.
Speculations:
(1) email analysis is (part of?) another "program"
(2) speech-to-text of phone calls, and subsequent analysis of the text, are two other "programs"
(3) using existing known terrorist-related phone call networks to guide the algorithms doing broader phone call network traffic analysis is another "program", closely tied with the newly "FISA-compliant" program.
(4) there are other data mining programs with varying levels of maturity, that use vast amounts of what many of us think of as private information as inputs. (It's an enormously interesting problem professionally, if you can get over the privacy issues.)
(5) the organization chart implies combinations of these programs that are also considered "programs", at least for the purpose of misleading
Congress and the American public and presumably our terrorist enemies as well.
(6) NSA was never institutionally happy about being involved in domestic surveillance activities and has tried very hard to make their activities pseudo-compliant with the US law and with the US constitution.
Bill Arnold
All these "data mining" efforts appear to have been experimental, unsuccessful, and were abandoned, at least as operational efforts, well before the "Ashcroft incident".
I doubt the DoJ would, en mass, threaten to resign over programs that had been terminated or relegated back to research and development by the intelligence agencies themselves, or that Gonzales would make a late-night trip to the hospital to get such programs reinstated.
This appears to be a typical Bush administration "Hey, look over there, something shiny!"
sure is too bad Comey and Ashcroft are dead and can't just be asked about these things.
I'm not sure if this sheds any light on anything, but I've been digging around for more information on Goldsmith and I came up with a Newsweek article from February 6, 2006, titled Palace Revolt concerning among other things the roll that Goldsmith and Comey played in staunching the worst abuses of the Bush Administration. In particular it addresses the conflict between Addington (Cheney's hatchet man) and Comey -- with Goldsmith definitely in the Comey camp.
The whole thing is fascinating, but here's the part concerning the NSA wiretapping. Remember that this was only one month after the program was divulged, and I'm not sure if there is a previous public disclosure of the hospital visit (it's on page 4):
"Addington's problems with Goldsmith were just beginning. In the jittery aftermath of 9/11, the Bush administration had pushed the top-secret National Security Agency to do a better and more expansive job of electronically eavesdropping on Al Qaeda's global communications. Under existing law—the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, adopted in 1978 as a post-Watergate reform—the NSA needed (in the opinion of most legal experts) to get a warrant to eavesdrop on communications coming into or going out of the United States. Reasoning that there was no time to obtain warrants from a secret court set up under FISA (a sometimes cumbersome process), the Bush administration justified going around the law by invoking a post-9/11 congressional resolution authorizing use of force against global terror. The eavesdropping program was very closely held, with cryptic briefings for only a few congressional leaders. Once again, Addington and his allies made sure that possible dissenters were cut out of the loop.
"There was one catch: the secret program had to be reapproved by the attorney general every 45 days. It was Goldsmith's job to advise the A.G. on the legality of the program. In March 2004, John Ashcroft was in the hospital with a serious pancreatic condition. At Justice, Comey, Ashcroft's No. 2, was acting as attorney general. The grandson of an Irish cop and a former U.S. attorney from Manhattan, Comey, 45, is a straight arrow. (It was Comey who appointed his friend—the equally straitlaced and dogged Patrick Fitzgerald—to be the special prosecutor in the Valerie Plame leak-investigation case.) Goldsmith raised with Comey serious questions about the secret eavesdropping program, according to two sources familiar with the episode. He was joined by a former OLC lawyer, Patrick Philbin, who had become national-security aide to the deputy attorney general. Comey backed them up. The White House was told: no reauthorization.
"The angry reaction bubbled up all the way to the Oval Office. President Bush, with his penchant for put-down nicknames, had begun referring to Comey as "Cuomey" or "Cuomo," apparently after former New York governor Mario Cuomo, who was notorious for his Hamlet-like indecision over whether to seek the Democratic presidential nomination in the 1980s. A high-level delegation—White House Counsel Gonzales and chief of staff Andy Card—visited Ashcroft in the hospital to appeal Comey's refusal. In pain and on medication, Ashcroft stood by his No. 2.
"A compromise was finally worked out. The NSA was not compelled to go to the secret FISA court to get warrants, but Justice imposed tougher legal standards before permitting eavesdropping on communications into the United States. It was a victory for the Justice lawyers, and it drove Addington to new levels of vexation with Goldsmith."
I think that this at least suggests that Addington/Cheney were behind the trip. It also suggests that the program at issue was not curtailed, but a "compromise was reached."
Finally, PERHAPS it leaves the impression that rather that responding to any specific super awful violation, Goldsmith took the opportunity with Ashcroft sick and Comey in charge to stop the reauthorization simply on the broader grounds that it went around FISA, and Comey agreed, leading to hospital showdown. Perhaps the changes that they subsequently made to continue the program involved the more egregious data mining aspects, which is what Gonzales is trying to hang his hat on now.
Clearly, this is a speculation based on a possibly ill-informed Newsweek article. Never-the-less the contemporaneous nature of the article to the disclosure of the program and the degree of detail available here is intriguing.
The President said:
"We're not mining or trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans"
Please note the use of the word 'innocent' rather than simply 'Americans'. It could be that this statement walks around the fact that the WH is indeed mining and trolling through the lives of many Americans, but these citizens have already been deemed 'suspicious' somehow.
"We're not mining or trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans"
Other possible wriggles:
"personal lives" - what exactly does this mean?
"millions of innocent Americans"
less than 1.5 million
Bill Arnold
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