Tuesday, June 26, 2007

On Winning and Losing

In response to Republican Senator Richard Lugar's call for a draw down of troops in Iraq, Andy McCarthy of the National Review had this to say:
Lugar, the great Republican Foreign Policy Doyen, is saying the United States of America has lost a war against rag-tag terrorist cells — including those of al Qaeda, which killed nearly 3000 Americans on one day and has said, repeatedly, that Iraq is the battle for all the marbles ... the battle they were sure they would win because America runs away whenever the heat gets turned up high enough.

And, knowing that, he would have us to run away anyhow.

God help us.
In a follow up post, he lamented:

We will rue the day we leave Iraq without routing radical Islam.
McCarthy's posts do a wonderful job of summing up, in a concise and easily digestible form, everything that is wrong with the prevailing conservative approach to both the Iraq war and terrorism generally.

To McCarthy, if we start withdrawing our forces from Iraq, it will mean "the United States of America has lost a war against rag-tag terrorist cells." But does that make any sense? I don't think anyone--including the rag-tag terrorists themselves--doubts that we have the resources to stay in Iraq indefinitely if we want to. If bees sting a bear enough times to make it walk away, the bees haven't defeated the bear. They've just convinced it that the honey isn't worth it. Should the bear really stick around until it has "routed" the bees? Is that even possible?

There is an enormous difference between failing to accomplish (unrealistic) goals that you've set for yourself and losing. The reason we'd be leaving Iraq is not because we "lost," but because we determined that our continued presence in that country was not likely to accomplish anything constructive (and is actually undermining our national interests). It's simple cost-benefit analysis. It is unacceptable to continue wasting lives and money in a counterproductive effort.

And even if we leave, the country will be run by a Shia-led government that we installed. So who exactly would we be surrendering to?

McCarthy says that "we will rue the day we leave Iraq without routing radical Islam." But what does that even mean? How exactly are we supposed to "rout" an ideology? If we "surge" a few thousand more troops, will "radical Islam" surrender? And is there any reason at all to believe that we can kill all the radical Islamists in Iraq, much less do so without creating legions of new ones? Our very presence in Iraq has served as the rallying cry for a whole new generation of jihadists, who are popping up all over the globe and continue to flock to Iraq for valuable on the job training.

In McCarthy's view, the only acceptable policy is to keep fighting in Iraq until we've defeated the terrorists. But that's a Sisyphean task, a never-ending game of whack-a-mole. And, of course, the only reason foreign terrorists are even in Iraq is because we are. There's no reason to believe that these foreign jihadists would stick around (or that Iraqis would let them stick around) if we were to leave.

The bottom line is that we can't allow ourselves to be drawn into a perpetual, self-sustaining battle just because some guys in a cave in Pakistan will taunt us if we change course. The only way we really "lose" here is if we resolve to continue pursuing unattainable goals.
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7 Comments:

Anonymous gnarlytrombone said...

What gets me is that in obsessively wringing their hands about how we can't allow the islamofascists to dictate our policy choices, they allow the islamofascists to dictate our policy choices.

And note the cognitive dissonance at play here: the terrorists are simultaneously a mere ragtag band of insane, uncivilized barbarians and a world historic force capable not only of reestablishing the Caliphate but of bringing down Western civilization.

Apparently it's not enough that the wingnuts to buy into their own propaganda, they've got to fully embrace the enemy's, as well. If I live to be a thousand, I'll never understand this bizarro worldview.

2:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That analysis was perfectly rational, Andrew. It has also been so since the beginning. There was never ANY stated goal that was worth the loss of lives (both American and Iraqi) and money.

Half a trillion $$ and counting. Just think what we could've achieved with all that money and manpower that would really have made a positive impact.

Our goal from 9/11 on should have been to show the world the overwhelming force for good that America could stand for. In that way, these thugs could've been exposed for what they are- power mad maniacs bent on domination. Now it looks like WE are the power-mad thugs bent on domination. How could we have let that happen?

Bush/Cheney has turned out to be a tool that OBL never would've dreamt for in his wildest imagination.

8:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whoops, Sorry A/L, had two windows open and called you Andrew.

8:52 AM  
Blogger New York Crank said...

Has anybody beside me noticed yet that the number of American lives George Bush has sacrificed for his excellent adventure in Iraq now exceeds -- that's exceeds, dudes –– the number of lives lost on 9/11?

With "defenders" like George Bush in the White House, Al Qaida is superfluous.

Yours very crankily,
The New York Crank

9:48 AM  
Blogger Davis X. Machina said...

So who exactly would we be surrendering to?

The Democratic Party.

Think like Emperor Cheney for a second --- the Democrats are the only enemy in the short term. Yeah, China eventually, but right now, the Democrats.

If we leave, they win -- not Osama, the Democrats.

From the day the war was mooted -- in 1999, certainly before 9/11 -- the real target wasn't Hussein. They had done business with him in the 80's -- and being 'someone you can do business with' is the highest accolade this particular famiglia can bestow on you.

The purpose of the 'war' was to eliminate any organized opposition to the GOP for a generation, to Mulroney the Democratic Party, to make it the 21st century version of the Whigs.

The possible ROI for the ruling Cheneyite junta was far, far more than just the oil under Iraq.

The ability to write legislation, determine the regulatory environment, name the judges, drive monetary and fiscal policy, employ the coercive power of the state against domestic enemies, etc. till the middle of the century, by using a 'wartime emergency', across the entirety of the economy, was worth any expenditure of blood and treasure.

10:23 AM  
Anonymous Maalox said...

Has the domain anonymouslibertarian.com been taken yet?

Rock on!

10:33 AM  
Anonymous GayAsXmas said...

This may seem like a silly, nit-picky comment to make, but, aside from the monumental silliness of McCarthy's central point, his post does contain one of those persistent winger talking points that irritates the hell out of me.

3000 Americans did NOT lose their lives on 9/11. Dozens of nationalities were represented among the victims. 9/11 was a tragedy for families around the world and it is a consistent disrespect to their memories to constantly claim that only Americans were victims

10:48 AM  

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