Thanks Bob
Former Democratic Senator Bob Kerrey has written an op-ed that takes "American liberals" to task for their position on Iraq. In an effort to reach out to these liberals and really change their minds--as opposed to simply competing with Joe Lieberman for the title of every conservative's favorite Democrat--Kerrey chose to publish his piece in the notoriously liberal Wall Street Journal editorial page [heavy sarcasm].
He writes:
This is, quite simply, the dumbest possible argument for staying in Iraq. Bin Laden will declare victory no matter what we do. Allowing his taunts to dictate our policy is ludicrous. Plus, as I've noted before, there is little reason to think al Qaeda has a future in Iraq after we leave.
The remainder of Kerrey's piece focuses on the humanitarian arguments against leaving Iraq:
More importantly, though, and this is relevant to Kerrey's other argument as well, al Qaeda isn't some sort of roving anti-democracy force that targets any and all democratic governments. Al Qaeda is in Iraq right now because we are there. They are trying to undermine the Iraqi government because we are trying to prop it up. It's that simple. If the Kurds and Shiites had somehow managed to take over Iraq on their own, their main problem would be their Sunni countrymen, not al Qaeda. Al Qaeda wouldn't care. They'd have no dog in that fight.
A more realistic hypothetical would be Saddam dying and his government collapsing, thereby creating a power vacuum and leading to sectarian war. If that had happened, there would indeed be a liberal argument (though not necessarily a winning one) for intervening on humanitarian grounds. But there is an enormous difference between that hypothetical situation and the one we find ourselves in now. If you intervene for humanitarian reasons to stop a conflict that you had no role in starting, you enter on very different footing than if you invade a country without provocation and on false pretenses. In the former situation, you have a least a fighting chance of being perceived as well-intentioned and welcomed. In the latter, you are viewed as an occupier and blamed for all the ensuing chaos. These differences greatly affect what you can realistically hope to accomplish.
Put simply, there is no reason to believe that our continued presence in Iraq will in any way change the underlying dynamics of the region. The best we can hope for is to delay the inevitable. That's why the humanitarian argument fails. You can't have a humanitarian obligation to prevent something that is not preventable.
Not surprisingly, Kerrey's op-ed has been widely cited by right-wing blogs and pundits. Rush Limbaugh read virtually the entire op-ed on air (though not all of it--I'll return to that in a second). What I find especially annoying about this effusive right-wing praise for Kerrey's argument is how utterly disingenuous it is. The fact is that people like Rush Limbaugh don't care about humanitarian arguments or about the Iraqi people. One minute they're making fun of the torture at Abu Ghraib or claiming that we need to "take the gloves off" and stop being so worried about collateral civilian deaths; the next minute they're so very concerned about the humanitarian fallout if we leave. These are people who routinely dehumanize Iraqis, who call for a "more rubble, less trouble" approach to the war, and yet we're supposed to believe that they find Kerrey's humanitarian arguments so incredibly persuasive. We all know that none of these people, especially Limbaugh, would ever in a million years support intervening militarily in another country for purely humanitarian reasons. They never have and they never will. So this entire argument is little more than a cynical attempt to play 'gotcha' with liberals. People like Limbaugh pretend to share Kerrey's views, but they don't.
And that brings me to the final and most obnoxious part of Kerrey's op-ed. After spending the entire piece criticizing "liberals" for their irresponsible views, he ends with this paragraph:
So can you guess now which paragraph Rush Limbaugh failed to read on air? Yep, the one where Kerrey essentially endorses the prevailing Democratic position. Of course that didn't stop Limbaugh from noting that "Bob Kerrey is right on Iraq" and that his piece "may be one of the best summations of where we are that I've read in a long time."
He writes:
With these facts on the scales, what does your conscience tell you to do? If the answer is nothing, that it is not our responsibility or that this is all about oil, then no wonder today we Democrats are not trusted with the reins of power. American lawmakers who are watching public opinion tell them to move away from Iraq as quickly as possible should remember this: Concessions will not work with either al Qaeda or other foreign fighters who will not rest until they have killed or driven into exile the last remaining Iraqi who favors democracy.Ah yes, the 'we should stay in Iraq forever so that Osama bin Laden doesn't claim victory' argument. Never mind that invading Iraq in the first place--which Kerrey aggressively advocated and still defends--was undoubtedly the best thing that has ever happened to Osama bin Laden. And never mind that bin Laden seems to be pretty content with the status quo--in which our armed forces are bogged down and strained to the breaking point by endless deployments in a country that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.
The key question for Congress is whether or not Iraq has become the primary battleground against the same radical Islamists who declared war on the U.S. in the 1990s and who have carried out a series of terrorist operations including 9/11. The answer is emphatically "yes."
This does not mean that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11; he was not. Nor does it mean that the war to overthrow him was justified--though I believe it was. It only means that a unilateral withdrawal from Iraq would hand Osama bin Laden a substantial psychological victory.
This is, quite simply, the dumbest possible argument for staying in Iraq. Bin Laden will declare victory no matter what we do. Allowing his taunts to dictate our policy is ludicrous. Plus, as I've noted before, there is little reason to think al Qaeda has a future in Iraq after we leave.
The remainder of Kerrey's piece focuses on the humanitarian arguments against leaving Iraq:
The critics who bother me the most are those who ordinarily would not be on the side of supporting dictatorships, who are arguing today that only military intervention can prevent the genocide of Darfur, or who argued yesterday for military intervention in Bosnia, Somalia and Rwanda to ease the sectarian violence that was tearing those places apart.As an initial matter, it's probably worth pointing out that this hypothetical is laughably implausible. Are we really supposed to believe that there is some possible universe in which Shiite and Kurdish insurgents would have overthrown Saddam Hussein and established some kind of joint democratic government? Yeah right.
Suppose we had not invaded Iraq and Hussein had been overthrown by Shiite and Kurdish insurgents. Suppose al Qaeda then undermined their new democracy and inflamed sectarian tensions to the same level of violence we are seeing today. Wouldn't you expect the same people who are urging a unilateral and immediate withdrawal to be urging military intervention to end this carnage? I would.
More importantly, though, and this is relevant to Kerrey's other argument as well, al Qaeda isn't some sort of roving anti-democracy force that targets any and all democratic governments. Al Qaeda is in Iraq right now because we are there. They are trying to undermine the Iraqi government because we are trying to prop it up. It's that simple. If the Kurds and Shiites had somehow managed to take over Iraq on their own, their main problem would be their Sunni countrymen, not al Qaeda. Al Qaeda wouldn't care. They'd have no dog in that fight.
A more realistic hypothetical would be Saddam dying and his government collapsing, thereby creating a power vacuum and leading to sectarian war. If that had happened, there would indeed be a liberal argument (though not necessarily a winning one) for intervening on humanitarian grounds. But there is an enormous difference between that hypothetical situation and the one we find ourselves in now. If you intervene for humanitarian reasons to stop a conflict that you had no role in starting, you enter on very different footing than if you invade a country without provocation and on false pretenses. In the former situation, you have a least a fighting chance of being perceived as well-intentioned and welcomed. In the latter, you are viewed as an occupier and blamed for all the ensuing chaos. These differences greatly affect what you can realistically hope to accomplish.
Put simply, there is no reason to believe that our continued presence in Iraq will in any way change the underlying dynamics of the region. The best we can hope for is to delay the inevitable. That's why the humanitarian argument fails. You can't have a humanitarian obligation to prevent something that is not preventable.
Not surprisingly, Kerrey's op-ed has been widely cited by right-wing blogs and pundits. Rush Limbaugh read virtually the entire op-ed on air (though not all of it--I'll return to that in a second). What I find especially annoying about this effusive right-wing praise for Kerrey's argument is how utterly disingenuous it is. The fact is that people like Rush Limbaugh don't care about humanitarian arguments or about the Iraqi people. One minute they're making fun of the torture at Abu Ghraib or claiming that we need to "take the gloves off" and stop being so worried about collateral civilian deaths; the next minute they're so very concerned about the humanitarian fallout if we leave. These are people who routinely dehumanize Iraqis, who call for a "more rubble, less trouble" approach to the war, and yet we're supposed to believe that they find Kerrey's humanitarian arguments so incredibly persuasive. We all know that none of these people, especially Limbaugh, would ever in a million years support intervening militarily in another country for purely humanitarian reasons. They never have and they never will. So this entire argument is little more than a cynical attempt to play 'gotcha' with liberals. People like Limbaugh pretend to share Kerrey's views, but they don't.
And that brings me to the final and most obnoxious part of Kerrey's op-ed. After spending the entire piece criticizing "liberals" for their irresponsible views, he ends with this paragraph:
Finally, Jim Webb said something during his campaign for the Senate that should be emblazoned on the desks of all 535 members of Congress: You do not have to occupy a country in order to fight the terrorists who are inside it. Upon that truth I believe it is possible to build what doesn't exist today in Washington: a bipartisan strategy to deal with the long-term threat of terrorism.In other words, Kerrey supports withdrawal from Iraq as long as we leave some small residual force to help combat al Qaeda. If this plan sounds familiar, it's because it's essentially the plan endorsed by all major Democrats, including people like Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John Edwards. In typical Kerrey fashion, though, he wants us to believe that this is his own sensible moderate idea, not the irresponsible and weak position endorsed by "liberals."
So can you guess now which paragraph Rush Limbaugh failed to read on air? Yep, the one where Kerrey essentially endorses the prevailing Democratic position. Of course that didn't stop Limbaugh from noting that "Bob Kerrey is right on Iraq" and that his piece "may be one of the best summations of where we are that I've read in a long time."



6 Comments:
Sometimes I want to hit my head against the wall. The distortions and illogical arguments are unbearable at times.
As long as supporters continue to be disingenuous about why we are still there, the people resisting US occupation and the reasons thereof we will never leave Iraq.
Several times negotiations have taken place, but the resistance groups found the US terms unacceptable. Bush will not budge either so the violence continues. Unsurprisingly the groups oppose privatizing Iraq's oil, US occupation and demand timelines. Bush says no. So don't let the "new" plan fool you; it is the same as the old plan because Washington has no intention of conceding anything. They do not have the political will, they only use military will.
Other than violence and negotiations for peace, Iraqis employed other means to demand the US leave: millions of Sunnis and Shiites joined in protests to end the continuing occupation. Even Muqtada al-Sadr gathered over a million signatures demanding timetables for occupation forces to withdraw. Yet Washington turned a deaf ear refusing to acquiesce to Iraqi demands left Iraqis little choice but to resort yet again to violence.
Meanwhile under Bush's directives US soldiers fight for what does not belong to US; It belongs to the Iraqi people.
The occupation would have ended long ago had Bush conceded to their terms.
For centuries the US, using military force, has been stealing other countries' natural resources. While no different under Bush, it explains his adamant insistence to get the oil contracts signed.
Someday Washington will bite off more than it can chew or perhaps it already did ... with Iraq.
Encapsulated in terms of fighting an enemy, radical extremists and murderers meant to provide justification and sustain a certain amount of fear in the public, Bush is able to maintain, albeit weakened public support.
The Bush administration's inexplicable assertion that ideology and beliefs can be killed with violence makes no sense. You cannot kill ideas. You change minds by persuading people to think differently using different methods and tools.
A violent occupation perpetuating resentment and anger provides incentive to join extremist groups in opposing US demands.
Consequently it strips bare the notion of winning or losing.
Bush tells us we will not leave until the mission is complete. Most Americans know he is being dishonest. Bush's inability to definitively and convincingly convey to the public "the mission," the end goal or muchless characterize "victory" turned public sentiment against him and the war. The simple fact is if Bush did admit his true ambitions he would be kicked out of office. Americans would not stand for it. So he is buying time by claiming troops are fighting al Qaeda.
Needless to say, Americans' suspicions are warranted.
Iraqis will continue fighting for -- what rightfully belongs to them -- their land, their natural resources and their sovereignty. And Bush will continue spending life and limb while wasting our treasury on what should have ended long ago. Of course people have a point of view, they just have a different point of view than Bush. So he uses troops thinking he can bludgeon the resistance groups into submission rather than engage in negotiations to reach a compromise.
But Bush is too stubborn to see the logic in that!
AL,
You completely misunderstand an important aspect of al qaeda, as demonstrated by this passage from you post, without which, your argument collapses:
"[al quaeda] are trying to undermine the Iraqi government because we are trying to prop it up. It's that simple. If the Kurds and Shiites had somehow managed to take over Iraq on their own, their main problem would be their Sunni countrymen, not al Qaeda. Al Qaeda wouldn't care. They'd have no dog in that fight."
It is NOT that simple. Al Qaeda hates us for sure, but they also really, really, REALLY hate the shiites. They hate them in Iraq, they hate them in Iran, they hate them everywhere, and they probably hate them more than they hate us. Its kind of like the old catholic-protestant hatred on steroids. If we were to leave Iraq, al qaeda wouldn't melt away and disappear. They would step up their violent attacks on Iraqi shiites and further escalate this civil war, without having to worry about US forces."
I have other problems with this post -- for example -- the suggestion that Iraqis would never try to overthrow Saddam themselves. Dude, they did this ALREADY back in 1991 after GW I, and we let them Saddam massacre them.
And I don't see why whatever "footing" we entered into Iraq at all effects the humanitarian equation. People are dying and a lot more will die if we leave. We caused this situation by invading in the first place. If anything our "footing" gives us all the more reason to stop further genocide.
Finally, throwing one's hands up and declaring that it is impossible for us to change the dynamics of the region is just total bs. "THe best we can hope for is to delay the inevitable" ?!?!?!? Why is slaughter inevitable? How the hell can we be powerless? Since when were the "underlying dymanic of" Iraq the most unsolvable problem in history. Saying that we can't make things better in Iraq is just a weak, convenient excuse to not do anything in the first place.
It is NOT that simple. Al Qaeda hates us for sure, but they also really, really, REALLY hate the shiites. They hate them in Iraq, they hate them in Iran, they hate them everywhere, and they probably hate them more than they hate us. Its kind of like the old catholic-protestant hatred on steroids.
First of all, it's probably worth pointing out that the Bush administration is claiming that al Qaeda and Shiite Iranians are working together to fight us in Iraq. I don't think I believe that, but I just thought I'd note how contradictory their position is to yours. Second, and more importantly, while al Qaeda may dislike the Shiites, even intensely, their goals have nothing to do with the Shiites. If they hated the Shiites more than us, 9/11 would have happened in Tehran. Al Qaeda flooded into Iraq because we invaded. If we weren't there, they wouldn't be there either.
The protestant/catholic thing applies to Sunnis and Shiites generally. Al Qaeda is a small band of jihadists with very specific political goals.
I have other problems with this post -- for example -- the suggestion that Iraqis would never try to overthrow Saddam themselves. Dude, they did this ALREADY back in 1991 after GW I, and we let them Saddam massacre them.
If you'll reread the post, you'll see I wasn't scoffing at the idea that Iraqis would overthrow Saddam. I was scoffing at the suggestion that the Kurds and Shiites would subsequently form a democratic government.
Saying that we can't make things better in Iraq is just a weak, convenient excuse to not do anything in the first place.
Perhaps, but not all situations are "fixable" simply by applying our military might. Had we stayed in Vietnam 5 years longer and lost 50,000 more soldiers, the eventual outcome would have been the same. I think Iraq is similar. I don't see our continued presence in that country doing anything to change the underlying dynamics. The same outcome will happen whether we leave now or 5 years from now.
Apparently Kerrey has nothing to worry about, since congress seems to have declared itself irrelevant. It's looking more and more as if both parties have decided that this country actually has only one branch of government, and that the only way to achieve anything is to win the White House and do things by fiat. How else to explain the total collapse (in the tradition of Arlen Specter) of any kind of resistance to the President on war-funding legislation? Talk about throwing hands in the air. At the press conference yesterday, Rahm Emmanuel looked like some poor, defeated dweeb, who's just been forced to apologize to the bully's girlfriend for looking at her funny.
You're welcome
OBL learned much from the Soviet's defeat in Afghanistan that he's applying today, but perhaps the better lesson for us from that defeat is Bzerinski's statement that U.S. assistance to the rebels there could "hand the Soviets their Viet Nam."
Is that what's taking place today? Are we playing into AQ's hands by making the same mistake the Soviets did in Afghanistan or that we did in VietNam, assuming that a surge will work against a homegrown insurgency which takes the long view and cuts you with a dull blade, making you bleed slowly?
I just read "The Looming Tower" which was both terrifying and fascinating, but was most fearful of the story of the Arabs who arrived in Afghanistan and shocked the local Afghan rebels when they cried over their dead comrades, not mourning the dead about how terrible it was that they were left behind while their dead comrades were in paradise already. In short the Afghans were fighting for their homeland while the Arabs (who became AQ) were fighting the beginnings of a Holy War in which death represented victory and the Crusades were seen as recent.
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