The 28 Year War You've Never Heard Of
In a post this morning, Glenn Reynolds repeated a talking point that I've been hearing a lot lately from neoconservatives:
First, and most obviously, if we've been at war with Iran since 1979, then President Reagan, then-Vice President Bush, and the rest of the Reagan administration are necessarily guilty of high treason. During the Iran-Contra affair, they illegally sold arms to Iran (via Israel), including thousands of BGM-71 TOW (Tube-launched, Optically-tracked, Wire-guided) anti-tank missiles. Iran subsequently reverse-engineered these missiles and now produces its own version, called the Toophan, which Hezbollah reportedly used against Israeli tanks in the recent conflict in Lebanon. If we were "at war" with Iran at the time of these arms sales, is there any non-treasonous interpretation of this conduct? I don't think so.
And beyond the obvious Iran-Contra implications, the suggestion that we've been at war with Iran since 1979 also overlooks an important period in U.S.-Iranian relations just after 9/11. As Newsweek recently reported:
People like Glenn Reynolds should not be able to get away with this sort of blatant historical revisionism. It's absurd, it's hypocritical, and it's an insult to everyone's intelligence.
UPDATE: See also this post by Blue Texan, who takes Jeff Goldstein to task for making a similar claim last week. I should also point out the additional irony that Michael Ledeen (whose opinion Goldstein cites in his post) was actually an important player in the Iran-Contra affair.
UPDATE II: Scott Lemieux makes the same point. And apparently Nitpicker beat us all to the punch, having made this point over 3 years ago.
He [Paul Campos] hurts his credibility up front by saying that Iran is not at war with us -- when, in fact, it has been since 1979, with the deaths of many Americans, soldiers and otherwise, on its hands.Have we really been "at war" with Iran since 1979? If so, there are a few events that historians may need to revisit.
First, and most obviously, if we've been at war with Iran since 1979, then President Reagan, then-Vice President Bush, and the rest of the Reagan administration are necessarily guilty of high treason. During the Iran-Contra affair, they illegally sold arms to Iran (via Israel), including thousands of BGM-71 TOW (Tube-launched, Optically-tracked, Wire-guided) anti-tank missiles. Iran subsequently reverse-engineered these missiles and now produces its own version, called the Toophan, which Hezbollah reportedly used against Israeli tanks in the recent conflict in Lebanon. If we were "at war" with Iran at the time of these arms sales, is there any non-treasonous interpretation of this conduct? I don't think so.
And beyond the obvious Iran-Contra implications, the suggestion that we've been at war with Iran since 1979 also overlooks an important period in U.S.-Iranian relations just after 9/11. As Newsweek recently reported:
After September 11 in particular, relations grew warmer than at any time since the fall of the shah. America wanted Iran's help in Afghanistan, and Iran gave it, partly out of fear of an angry superpower and partly in order to be rid of its troublesome Taliban neighbors. . . .Of course, this flurry of cooperation was soon undercut by the White House's decision to label Iran as a member of the "axis of evil." But that doesn't change the fact that during this time period, the U.S. and Iran were not, by any possible definition, warring nations.
For Iran's reformists, 9/11 was a blessing in disguise. Previous attempts to reach out to America had been stymied by conservative mullahs. But the fear that an enraged superpower would blindly lash out focused minds in Tehran. Mohammad Hossein Adeli was one of only two deputies on duty at the Foreign Ministry when the attacks took place, late on a sweltering summer afternoon. He immediately began contacting top officials, insisting that Iran respond quickly. "We wanted to truly condemn the attacks but we also wished to offer an olive branch to the United States, showing we were interested in peace," says Adeli. To his relief, Iran's top official, Ayatollah Ali Khameini, quickly agreed. . .
The fear dissipated after Sept. 20, when the FBI announced that Al Qaeda was behind the attacks. But there was new reason for cooperation: for years Tehran had been backing the Afghan guerrillas fighting the Taliban, Osama bin Laden's hosts. Suddenly, having U.S. troops next door in Afghanistan didn't seem like a bad idea. American and Iranian officials met repeatedly in Geneva in the days before the Oct. 7 U.S. invasion. The Iranians were more than supportive. "In fact, they were impatient," says a U.S. official involved in the talks, who asked not to be named speaking about topics that remain sensitive. "They'd ask, 'When's the military action going to start? Let's get going!' "
Opinions differ wildly over how much help the Iranians actually were on the ground. But what is beyond doubt is how critical they were to stabilizing the country after the fall of Kabul. In late November 2001, the leaders of Afghanistan's triumphant anti-Taliban factions flew to Bonn, Germany, to map out an interim Afghan government with the help of representatives from 18 Coalition countries. . . .
The Iranian team's leader, Javad Zarif, was a good-humored University of Denver alumnus with a deep, measured voice, who would later become U.N. ambassador. Jim Dobbins, Bush's first envoy to the Afghans, recalls sharing coffee with Zarif in one of the sitting rooms, poring over a draft of the agreement laying out the new Afghan government. "Zarif asked me, 'Have you looked at it?' I said, 'Yes, I read it over once'," Dobbins recalls. "Then he said, with a certain twinkle in his eye: 'I don't think there's anything in it that mentions democracy. Don't you think there could be some commitment to democratization?' This was before the Bush administration had discovered democracy as a panacea for the Middle East. I said that's a good idea."
Toward the end of the Bonn talks, Dobbins says, "we reached a pivotal moment." The various parties had decided that the suave, American-backed Hamid Karzai would lead the new Afghan government. But he was a Pashtun tribal leader from the south, and rivals from the north had actually won the capital. In the brutal world of Afghan power politics, that was a recipe for conflict. At 2 a.m. on the night before the deal was meant to be signed, the Northern Alliance delegate Yunus Qanooni was stubbornly demanding 18 out of 24 new ministries. Frantic negotiators gathered in the suite of United Nations envoy Lakhdar Brahimi. A sleepy Zarif translated for Qanooni. Finally, at close to 4 a.m., he leaned over to whisper in the Afghan's ear: " 'This is the best deal you're going to get'." Qanooni said, " 'OK'."
That moment, Dobbins says now, was critical. "The Russians and the Indians had been making similar points," he says. "But it wasn't until Zarif took him aside that it was settled ... We might have had a situation like we had in Iraq, where we were never able to settle on a single leader and government." A month later Tehran backed up the political support with financial muscle: at a donor's conference in Tokyo, Iran pledged $500 million (at the time, more than double the Americans') to help rebuild Afghanistan.
People like Glenn Reynolds should not be able to get away with this sort of blatant historical revisionism. It's absurd, it's hypocritical, and it's an insult to everyone's intelligence.
UPDATE: See also this post by Blue Texan, who takes Jeff Goldstein to task for making a similar claim last week. I should also point out the additional irony that Michael Ledeen (whose opinion Goldstein cites in his post) was actually an important player in the Iran-Contra affair.
UPDATE II: Scott Lemieux makes the same point. And apparently Nitpicker beat us all to the punch, having made this point over 3 years ago.



13 Comments:
silly A.L. - treason is OK if you are a REPUBLICAN. Don't you see - the powerbrokers BEHIND the scenes have already created the "official script" for the MSM to "catapult the propaganda."
It has already been decided that now is the time to invade Iran - there is too much money on the table and the negative setiments from the late 70's will have to be exploited soon before the current generations forget it.
"Historical revisionism" is an important part of propaganda - the same forces that hoisted an obnoxious alcoholic/cocaine-addict AWOL chickenhawk to the POTUS needs "artistic license" to frame the dialog.
Well it may be worth mentioning that there is another problem with the wingnuts revisionist history. Namely that, if we are at war with Iran already, wouldn't it be proper to assume that Iran places the beginning of said war not in '79 but rather in '53. When we put the Shah back in power after orchestrating and carrying out a coup that supplanted a democratically elected Mossadegh.
Americans really are full of shit. '79? It is laughable. We undermine democracy when we feel like it and then blame the victim. We are the most hypocritical country on the face of the planet. Totally full of shit.
The narrative with Iraq was, "They've been violating sanctions for a decade! They're already at war with us! They've been flouting international law! Invading really won't change things much..."
This narrative is mirrored now with Iran. "We've been at war with Iran for decades! They've been flouting international law! We've always been at war with Eurasia..."
adnoto it was called Operation Ajax
Backgrounder here
http://www.fff.org/comment/com0702c.asp
After a blissfully network news free weekend, I am experiencing acutely perplexing distress, high tech find-em feel-em fuck-em and forget-em, I’ll call you later abandonment, and emotional button-pushing by pseudo-political entities promoting nothing more mundane than low class tactics of personal dissatisfaction and constant desire-mongering to an apex bordering on abject vomitus. Got that? After this much constant news-pooting, it is simply inconceivable that this daily compost tirade has no effect on my spirits, my health, and my creative motivation. But I guess this is the ocean I swim in. I yearn to rise above it all in one last desperate despicable act, as a sullied pen or tainted paint brush falls from hand, in the midst of the concentrated flood of various poot-butts and wankers, diverse insidious shams which intend to redundantly drill, auger-like, scraps of misinformed retarded self-serving retrograde crap into my unconscious, via cathode saturation.
I used to utter to Faux hopeful Ms. Coulter, keeping in mind her mild to severe learning disability, "Honey, let's go out naked tonight, and don't forget the socks, light bulbs, and honey". And for all the intellectual posturing she pretends, she never appreciated my intermingling of milieu: Lewis Carroll, Lucretius, Spinoza, Proust, Bacon (Farmer John), Kant, the Stoics, Kafka, Nietzsche, Melville (Don't ask how he knows so much about sailors), Artaud, Foucault, and Liberace. But I never lost sight of her completely reactionary, prefabricated, and overwhelming/crushing mission to express talking head methane emission. Death from blue balls is unique, of course, and therefore unusual, but what can one say about the unusual when, from Derrida to Disney, from Marx to Goofy, it multiplies in the same generation all these uncommon endings, not to mention her landing strip!
adnoto it was called Operation Ajax
Yeah, thanks Anon, I know what it was called. I am relatively well versed on the topic. Too bad the bulk of my countrymen don't have the faintest clue. Perhaps if they did they would choose to look at themselves and accept some responsibility for our current relationship with not only Iran but many, many other countries that we have meddled with or simply run rough shod over.
It really does sicken me how ignorant and nationalistic most Americans are. If they had a soul, actually believed in supposed "American values", knew their history and were honest with themselves we would never be in these situations because the people would hang any leaders that tried to pull this shit.
Gen. Butler said "War is a Racket". A truer thing has never been said and we are the greatest perpetrators of "wars" for profit that the world has ever seen.
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adnoto, I think you're the one that needs to learn some history. Enough with the hyperbole, please. It doesn't help our cause.
Come on Hague, come on Spain, somebody indict these war criminals!
(It depresses me to think that Glenn Reynolds is not only a Tennessee resident, but a tenured law professor at UT-Knoxville, filling young ears with his shoddy thinking and poisonous lies.)
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Anonymous said...
adnoto, I think you're the one that needs to learn some history. Enough with the hyperbole, please. It doesn't help our cause.
Laughable. I am guessing you and I have nowhere near the same "cause."
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Carl Gordon, that was the most amazing stream of supermultilevelconsciousness I've ever seen on a blog.
I bow to you.
Now, I just need to come untangled from it...
And to the original topic. I know pointing out the obvious feels good, but it rarely gets through the thickest heads. We had a hand in creating Bin Laden, Saddam Hussien, Iran, Manuel Noriega... the list goes on. If ANYONE in the administration, any administration, would just freakin stand up and say, gee these policies were stupid, look what they've led to, let's not do that ever again. Then I could be behind all kinds of plans for attempting to clean up these messes because that would be the last of them. But these dishonest buzzards NEVER admit we could have caused or even merely exacerbated the problems that we are currently mucked up in. They were random or something, I guess. People are pissed at us because we love freedom fries. That MUST be it.
Come on, look at Haiti. Tiny little island... how long have we been attempting nation building there? I rest my case.
Ocienia has always been at war with Eurasia...
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