Tuesday, October 17, 2006

Hillary and the Name Game

Perhaps the strangest political story in the news today was the announcement by Hillary Clinton's campaign team that Senator Clinton was not named after Sir Edmund Hillary, the first man to climb Mount Everest. The New York Times reports:
For more than a decade, one piece of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's informal biography has been that she was named for Sir Edmund Hillary, the conqueror of Mount Everest. The story was even recounted in Bill Clinton's autobiography.

But yesterday, Mrs. Clinton's campaign said she was not named for Sir Edmund after all."It was a sweet family story her mother shared to inspire greatness in her daughter, to great results I might add," said Jennifer Hanley, a spokeswoman for the campaign.
While all the fuss? Well, given that Ms. Clinton was born in 1947 and Sir Edmund made his historic climb in 1953, this is exactly the sort of anecdote that--were it not pre-emptively dealt with by Clinton herself--would have eventually been discovered and seized upon by Republicans eager to portray Clinton as some sort of serial fabricator.


This story couldn't be less important, but I bring it up because it got me thinking. The perennial question regarding Hillary Clinton is whether she is more loved or hated by the American people. TIME Magazine recently devoted its cover to this very question.

One way to try to answer it is by conducting a poll; that's what TIME tried to do. But the apocryphal Sir Edmund story hints at a potentially more interesting way of approaching the issue. There's really no bigger compliment you can pay someone than naming your child after him or her. And, conversely, all it takes is one bad association to sour you on a name you might otherwise have liked.

For instance, the names Jackie and Jacqueline soared in popularity in the 1960s, almost surely because of the popularity of Jacqueline Kennedy.

So how does Hillary measure up? Well, according to the Social Security Administration, Hillary was the 238th most popular girl's name in 1986 (the one-elled variation, "Hilary", was 272nd). The name reached its peak in 1992--when Hillary became First Lady--hitting 131st on the list. But since 1992, the name has been in a precipitous decline, dropping out of the top 1000 altogether by 2002. That's not a very good sign.

And it's actually worse than it appears at first glance. Hillary's emergence on the national scene in 1992 seems to have had a standardizing effect on the spelling of the name. Prior to 1992, Hillary and Hilary were just about equally common. Both consistently ranked within the top 300 girls' names. But by 1993, Hilary (with one "l") had dropped to 651st, and by 1994 it was completely gone from the top 1000 (and has never returned). In other words, almost everyone who chose the name post-1992 used the spelling with two ells.

Even with this standardizing effect, however, the popularity of the name "Hillary" has still plummeted dramatically. Perhaps that just a coincidence. I doubt it, though.
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20 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's with the Time crap lately - have you had a bad case of diarrhea and been spending too much time in the bathroom with bad magazines lately?

For crying out loud - HITLER was Time's "Man of the Year" in 1938.

http://scrapbookpages.com/DachauMemorial/TimeCover.html

- that was when these types of magazines enjoyed large circulation and influence. Who the hell reads it now? Why does anything these hacks say really matter?

Rank Male name Female name
1 Jacob Emily
2 Michael Emma
3 Joshua Madison
4 Matthew Abigail
5 Ethan Olivia
6 Andrew Isabella
7 Daniel Hannah
8 Anthony Samantha
9 Christopher Ava
10 Joseph Ashley

Kind of blows your whole "name" theory out of the water, doesn't it? If you are too busy to blog, please just tell us so.

1:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damn - blogger ate the spaces that I used to create the table, but you can see that none of these names give any indication that popular people, especially current political personalities, has any impact on popular names.

My suggestion is that you get better magazines for your bathroom.

1:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Besides, if your name theory was true, there would be many more kids from the 90's named Ren or Stimpy.

2:40 AM  
Blogger paradox said...

This is a decent blog post, please disregard that obnoxious asshole.

I'm amused that Hillary is sure she can make it out of the primaries. She has light years to go before the base trusts her.

We shall see. Jesus, the Clintons--again.

6:01 AM  
Blogger JLB said...

There's a simple, Nancy Reaganesque slogan with which we should all acquaint ourselves: Just Say No To Hillary. I really think she's the only Democrat who could actually lose this thing -- that is, of those willing to run for it; I imagine Kucinich still couldn't win; although I actually DID have a beer with him once, and I say, he's all right. He's simply, among other things, too short.

8:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

paradox - it really is a "paradox" when an "obnoxious asshole" blogs that people should please disregard the "obnoxious asshole." Great handle and I am sure it makes you feel oh-so-important.

8:59 AM  
Blogger JLB said...

Maybe we should disregard the both of you. While I agree that "anonymous"'s comments have a rather puerile tone about them (not just on this post, either), there are perhaps better ways to "disregard" such things than to address them with meaningless profanity of our own -- one way, for instance, would be to simply "disregard" it.

I don't know how important the Hillary name thing really is, although I do suspect that it's not simply a coincidence that the numbers should drop so precipitously at the moment of the Clinton's rise to national office. Numbers like this -- as with things like exit polls -- generally mean what they seem to suggest. For instance, graduate school applications in the humanities rise and fall conversely with the state of the economy and the availability of white collar jobs -- 1999 and 2000 were the lowest of the past two decades or so, with a noticeable spike afterwards, coinciding with the crash of the internet economy. If memory serves, Hillary was instantly unpopular, upon her arrival in the White House, and there was a kind of general skepticism (if not downright paranoia) about a First Lady leveraging power the way she wanted to (something, incidentally, that would have been just as unusal for a Vice President, before the era of Bush II).

But, to my mind, none of this matters, since, as I've said above, there are bigger and better reasons to do all we can to keep the nomination away from Hillary Clinton.

Etc.,

JLB

9:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Coming into office as the "first lady" and immediately becoming the lightening rod for Healthcare reform was naive at best. If this was something she felt strongly about and was competent to do, she could have been more effective not being at the center of attention.

If you recall, FLB, that is where she really came forward and got hammered. I am not saying it was fair, but it was certainly something that could have been anticipated.

Some would actually question her commitment to the issue - the net effect of her involvement on the issue was to ensure that nothing would happen for the entire clinton term - perhaps even longer.

Do American's elect husband/wife teams to run the country? PROBABLY NOT!!!! JUST LOOK AT "PICKLES" LAURA BUSH!!!!

The lying liars in the MSM LOVE hillary because they have already succeeded in swiftboating her and demonizing her to such an extent that they can be confident that she will not win on a national level.

Of course, then again, we haven't really seen where this repug culture of corruption is going to finally lead us - so nothing is really "impossible," is it.

Its a legit point - why are we letting TIME and the other MSM whores set this agenda? These are the same lying liars that constantly told us that Americans would prefer to have a beer with an obnoxious alcoholic/cocaine addict. It was not true then and certainly it is not a valid point now.

9:25 AM  
Blogger A.L. said...

Geez, tough crowd. Look, this post wasn't meant to be some grand contribution to our political discourse. It was a random fact that I found just interesting enough to devote one post to on an otherwise very busy day. Let's all take a deep breath (yes I mean you "anonymous").

As for this:
but you can see that none of these names give any indication that popular people, especially current political personalities, has any impact on popular names.
That's some pretty weak reasoning. I'm not suggesting that all names derive there popularity from famous people. The most popular names (Michael, Emily, etc.) have been so popular for so long that no one person could really effect their popularity.

But it's a different story when you start talking about names that are not as popular and become associated with a very famous person.

When you mention the name "Hillary" the first person that comes to everyone's mind is Hillary Clinton. That's just a fact. Do you really believe that there's no correlation at all between the popularity of that name and Ms. Clinton's rise to national prominence. Go look at the graph.

9:35 AM  
Blogger Disenchanted Dave said...

For what it's worth, I thought it was clever and mildly persuasive, in an annecdotal sort of way. The anonymous comments were unpersuasive and rude. I hope you don't let them bother you.

It probably means something, although it could just mean that people are concerned that she might be divisive later if history goes badly for her, or that she's unpopular with the (white, wealthy) demographic that was likely to name their kids "Hillary" to begin with, or something else.

I once spent an evening looking at the name registry... the only thing I remember is that the name "Trinity" shot up in popularity after The Matrix came out.

9:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A.L. - aren't the lying liars that proclaim the name Hillary has been called "the most poisoned baby name in history" the say ones that, for many years, proclaimed that women over the age of 30 were statistically unlikely to get married?

That was a lie - and what is wrong with asking why TIME has now become the "official source" of The Anonymous Liberal. Respectfully - 2 consecutive posts of very marginal "issues", each based on a MSM rag that has seen its reputation and influence dramatically decline for the previous 2 or 3 decades.

10:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Disenchanted Dave, while I have to consur that diarrhea is not a pretty subject, wouldn't you agree that it is important that we can talk about it?

Its nothing to be ashamed of. One does not have to read bad magazines when one is afflicted with it.

10:13 AM  
Blogger A.L. said...

and what is wrong with asking why TIME has now become the "official source" of The Anonymous Liberal.

Um, this post wasn't based on anything in TIME magazine. I just cited the cover to make a point. I didn't even read any of the articles in that issue, much less cite to them.

And in the last post, I was merely citing Klein's article to point out how fickle our press corps can be. I wasn't praising the article or citing it for anything substantive. I realize my last two posts haven't exactly been groundbreaking forays into deeply important issues, but perhaps you could cut me a little slack. Sheesh.

10:31 AM  
Blogger JLB said...

Disregard, disregard, disregard: it's like Dorothy. Thrice is the charm, and the freaks all disappear.

10:37 AM  
Anonymous Stephen said...

Hi. I thought the post was a yawner but hey, I've always been impressed by the majority of A.L.'s posts and have often wondered how a person can hold a job and write such thoughtful, clearly written posts almost EVERY DAY.

Anyway, I want to use this as an excuse to chime in. I remember the Clinton presidency through rose-colored glasses. Every time I see Bill in a news story, I get all teary and wistful. Well, not really, but just this side of it. That said, I agree with the comment above that H. MUST NOT CAPTURE THE NOMINATION, not because she's a spineless hack who doesn't have a single opinion that wasn't formed with an eye on '08, but because she cannot win. The only thing worse would be Kerry Redux. Don't get me wrong. I'll vote for her in a second if she is nominated. I'm sure she's a smart and decent person with lots of talent. But a Clinton candidacy would not only fail to inspire in the red states; It might actually provide them with get-out-the-vote fuel from the "base" that the GOP can't even hope to win without. No red-state Road to Damascus Moments will occur if it's Clinton, and we (the good guys) could very conceivably blow it with a H.C. nomination.

BTW, Hillary is an feminized English version of the male name Hilarius - an early pope. That was really his name. If I'm lying I'm flying. Read about him here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Hilarius

12:18 PM  
Blogger A.L. said...

Stephen,
Fair enough. And I agree with you re: Hillary. Whatever her individual merits (and reasonable people can debate those), I just don't see how she can win a general election.

2:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But does HILLARY realize -- or is there anyone available in her circle with bigger balls than her who can TELL her -- she's a loser outta the gate?

I hate to sound "defeatist"... but yes, I'm with you guys... she can't win.

8:04 PM  
Blogger Cranky Daze said...

I agree with Stephen. Hillary can't win for any number of reasons, but it's probably worth noting that this country is not ready for a female president, especially considering the mess Junior has made.

Whether or not this goes to bias and prejudice is a moot point. Americans are going to vote for the person they believe can and will solve the problems the Bush Bunch has created, and we tend to believe that men operate on a more rational level than women. That is not necessarily true, but if and when a woman takes her seat in the Oval Office, it will not be at a time when voters see the country as being perched on the edge of the abyss.

I do think we're reaching the point where we will see a black president eventually, but it will undoubtedly be a man. On the political ladder, women are still on the bottom rung, regardless of how qualified they may be.

1:24 AM  
Blogger whispers said...

A.L., check out some other names for historical trends. I think this would rebut your "Is this coincidence?" question. Names move in and out of popularity for a lot of reasons. Dumping everything on Hillary Clinton doesn't seem justified.

Look at the history of "Ronald", for example. Plummeted enormously with a peak at about the time "Bedtime for Bonzo" was released. Probably meant that anybody with that name, or indeed the most famous person with that name, probably had no hope if he ran for President. Probably it meant that the most famous person named "Ronald" was widely loathed by Americans.

10:56 AM  
Blogger opine6 said...

Hillary IS a ""serial fabricator". She learned it from her husband. Why not? It worked for him.

4:45 PM  

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