Tuesday, September 12, 2006

The Giuliani Hype

Because of his intimate connection with the events of 9/11, Rudy Giuliani is always treated by the media as some sort of foreign policy heavyweight. I've never understood this. Yes, Giuliani was a competent mayor, and he was a reassuring presence on television in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 (I remember; I was there). But he was a mayor. His political experience consists of working with city council members and negotiating labor disputes. He has no more experience grappling with foreign policy issues than Howard Dean or Mark Warner (and considerably less experience than just about anyone who has served in Congress).

Not only that, but I've yet to hear Giuliani say anything even remotely original or insightful about any foreign policy issue. Rather, he can always be counted on to regurgitate whatever the current GOP talking point is on the subject at hand, whether it be Iraq, Iran, or terrorism. He's not even particularly eloquent or tactful about it. And sometimes he just goes off the reservation.

Take, for instance, the op-ed Giuliani wrote for the USA Today on Monday to commemorate the fifth anniversary of 9/11. Rather than use his allotted space to say something poignant or insightful about the tragedy with which he will forever be linked, he instead took the opportunity to make an inaccurate and somewhat troubling comparison. He devoted a number of paragraphs to linking al Qaeda terrorists and Chechen separatists, as if they were part of some unified terror network, and then seemed to suggest that we could learn a lot about fighting terrorism by following Russia's lead.

The people who consider democracy their enemy have not stopped fighting. They have not stopped killing. We cannot let down our guard.

This month brings us another sad anniversary, the second year since the siege at Beslan by terrorists. Imagine the kind of people who saw their intended targets -- schoolchildren -- enter for the first day of school laden with flowers for their teachers. Days later, those children would be so hungry they would eat those wilted flowers as the terrorists mocked them. Soon, many of the children and their parents would be dead.

Shortly after the siege ended, I happened to travel to the region. I was in Moscow on the day of the memorial gathering. Having recently endured a deadly takeover of a Moscow theater and the downing of commercial airliners, Russia's reaction was swift and overpowering. The war against radical Chechen Islamists continues, but Russia has won significant victories and seems to have turned the tide.

The Chechens have indeed embraced the most heinous of terrorist tactics in their ongoing struggle for independence, but that's about all they have in common with al Qaeda. The fighting between the Chechens and Russians is quite clearly about land, and Russia has engaged in indisputably brutal tactics in its efforts to reoccupy Chechnya, tactics which have drawn strong international criticism, including from us. Moreover, Vladimir Putin has used the ongoing war with Chechen separatists as an excuse to consolidate power and turn Russia into something closer to an authoritarian state than a democracy.

Is that really the comparison Giuliani wants to be making? Particularly on the anniversary of 9/11?

Never fear, though, because Giuliani's op-ed quickly returned to more familiar territory. He observed:

Some argue that the attacks continue because of the war in Iraq. But the attacks began decades before the Iraq war. Some argue that our enemies seek negotiation and understanding. But our enemies have made clear to us that what they seek is the annihilation of our most precious freedoms. . . . There are those over the past 30 years, and even to this day, who want to negotiate with the fanatic Islamic terrorists. But the fanatics don't want to negotiate.

Nice, isn't it? Giuliani uses his platform on 9/11 to engage in the crudest and most offensive (not to mention unoriginal) kind of strawman rhetoric. We're told that the debate in this country is between those who want to "negotiate" with the terrorists and those, like Giuliani, who understand just who we're dealing with. He even uses the "some argue" formulation to make his point. Karl Rove would be proud.

Needless to say, Giuliani's words were incredibly tasteless and insulting, especially on 9/11. Despite his undeserved reputation as a foreign policy expert, "America's mayor" actually sounds rather hackish whenever he talks about these issues. I still remember back in 2004, just before the election, when Osama bin Laden released his "October Surprise" video. Following the release of the video, nearly every politician (including Bush and Kerry themselves) had the decency (and tact) to refrain from publicly speculating about who Bin Laden wanted to win. Not Giuliani. He went on Meet the Press less than 48 hours before the polls opened and told Tim Russert that Bin Laden "certainly wants George Bush out of the White House. . . . that's one of the reasons he put in all those criticisms of President Bush." Not only was this an incredibly hackish thing to say, but as we know now, the CIA had reached the exact opposite conclusion, almost instantly (as had most intelligent people).

Despite all this, I don't have any particular qualms with Rudy Giuliani per se. I'd take him over Bush in a heartbeat. But he strikes me as more than a little out of his element when it comes to foreign policy. And that's supposed to be his strength. So I ask you this, particularly if you are a potential Republican primary voter: what exactly is it that Giuliani brings to the table when it comes to presidential politics? What would be the point of his candidacy? I just don't see it.
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7 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

A.L. - you bring up some good points but IMHO, you are missing something big. CHIMPY DID NOT GET TO BE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD BASED ON HIS COMPETENCE - NO ONE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION IS IN THEIR POSITION BECAUSE OF THEIR COMPETENCE!

They are "servants" to interests that know better than to stand before the public and steal. Not trying to be critical - I like your work. I do think you fail to acknowledge that the propaganda we see and much of the criminality, negligence, and incompetence serves someone's purpose.

Your observations about Giuliani are valid, but I don't follow your statement: I don't have any particular qualms with Rudy Giuliani per se. I'd take him over Bush in a heartbeat.

Don't you think he would serve the same interests? Now that the neocons have control of the republican party, the three branches of government, the "mighty wurlitzer, and even our electorial systems, DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT GIULIANI WOULD BE ANY DIFFERENT?

If he is part of "catapulting the propaganda" of 911 and exploiting this tradegy for political purposes - don't you think he would just pick up where the chimperor left off?

Would there really be a difference?

You say he engages in the crudest and most offensive (not to mention unoriginal) kind of strawman rhetoric. You don't think that he does that on a lark, do you? What interests does it serve? He is not doing this for himself.

At some level, you and I have a fundamental disagreement over the nature of this administration - I don't think we can intellegently discuss chimpy's policies and actions based on competence/incompetence.

He has "successfully" trampled the constitution, looted the federal treasury, enabled and enriched the military-industrial complex (oil is a key component), destroyed New Orleans (no, it was not Katrina that actually did it), allowed the banking and pharmaceutical industries to rape the poor and disadvantaged, committed treason, gotten away with war crimes and crimes gainst humanity, and circumvented the democratic process.

If they can maintain control of the house and senate (and it will have to be by "hook or crook") the most successful federal program of all time, Social Security, will be eliminated.

This agenda would not be OK if it was somehow carried out in a more "efficient" or "competent" manner.

The mechanism and court decisions are already in place to steal key midterms. Curiously, this is never a topic discussed here or on the blogs you link to.

At this time, there is no reason to believe that he will be held accountable for his actions - this is because he is doing the work of some powerful interests.

Based on your observations, which I mostly agree with, Giuliani would serve the same intersts.

3:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AL,

If I were Giuliani, I would interpret the growing number of critical pieces on his -- such as this one -- as the absolute dread Dems have about his potential candidacy.

For some reason Giuliani appeals to hard core conservatives and GOPers despite his socially liberal views. And his social views are liberal -- not moderate.

Perhaps it is because GOP-types pay more attention to "issues" like "character." And no candidate seems to have more of that intangible than Giuliani.

Should Giuliani win the nomination he will be unstoppable in a general election.

But responding to your critique, Giuliani brings executive leadership to the table for a candidacy. Being mayor of new york I would imagine is better pre-presidency experience than being governor of arkansas, or govenor of texas (with its part time state government), or a one-term governor og georgia. Compared to those presidents, Giuliani compares rather favorably, and he has a clear record of success as mayor compared to mixed records for those other folks.

Moreover, our presidents with lots of foreign policy experience -- LBJ, JFK, didn't always turn out so well on the foreign policy front -- Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, near annihilation in the Cuban Missile Crisis. Whereas Lincoln , with just one term in the House turned out pretty well in the end.

Giuliani's a leader, he sounds like one and acts like one. That's what people want for the current crisis -- and its tough for me to say that they are wrong about that.

10:48 AM  
Blogger A.L. said...

If I were Giuliani, I would interpret the growing number of critical pieces on his -- such as this one -- as the absolute dread Dems have about his potential candidacy.

You'd be wrong, at least about me. I think most Dems fear a McCain candidacy, but are far less fearful of Giuliani. Part of that is because most don't think Giuliani can win the GOP nomination. But part of it is also that many perceive Giuliani, correctly I think, to be a paper tiger. He's got a closet full of skeletons and a tendency to put his foot in his mouth.

As for his current popularity among the far rightwing, I suspect that's because they don't know him very well. He's only ever invited on national television to talk about foreign policy issues, so most Republicans just see him as someone who loyally repeats whatever the current GOP talking point is. They don't realize how liberal he is on every other issue.

Should Giuliani win the nomination he will be unstoppable in a general election.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. He may not hold up very well to that kind of scrutiny.

As for his qualifications, don't get me wrong, I don't think you necessarily have to have foreign policy experience to be qualified to be president. I certainly would consider voting for, say, Mark Warner despite the fact that his only experience is as a governor. My point, though, is that Giuliani is always held up by the media as some sort of expert on foreign policy, and it's a wholly undeserved honor. His grasp of the issues never seems to extend beyond RNC talking points, and when he strays from that script, he says some pretty bizarre things. I'm thoroughly unimpressed by his supposed foreign policy prowess. How is he any different than, say, Ken Mehlman when it comes to these issues?

11:03 AM  
Blogger JLB said...

I'm not sure we should call our "survival" through the Cuban Missile crisis as a failure ("near annihilation"). The other foreign policy mistakes were, indeed, mistakes; but which President has brought us unqualified foreign policy triumphs? Perhaps FDR and Truman? But these were done by obliterating enemies in a total war -- which, as opposed to the ambiguities of diplomacy, is rather "easy," though intensely unpleasant. And, after all, these victories led to the Cold War -- so it goes.

I think it's hard to believe two things: 1) that Giuliani's social views will pass muster in the GOP primaries -- as you say, he is essentially a liberal (frankly, I think he should switch parties); and, 2) if he were to win the nomination, that he could defeat a candidate of the stature of, say, Al Gore.

The real issue is making sure that the Dems don't once again exhibit their suicidal tendencies by continuing to insist on H. Clinton as the "front-runner." If this continues to be repeated by democrats and the papers and TV, it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. And if we want to hand the GOP a victory in '08, I suggest the ONLY way to do that is to nominate Clinton.

All that being said, I agree that there are attractive things about Giuliani, but at the end of the day, I agree with A.L. -- the suit is much bigger than the man. He could conceivably get a cabinet post or something from the dems, which would look good all around -- as you say, he has good experience and reputation, and nominating even a nominal Republican like Giuliani would be a boost for "bipartisanship," whatever that means. I don't particularly care about it, since I have no interest in the positions of the other party, but I understand it is an attractive and soothing thing in which to engage.

- JLB

11:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AL,

Which Dem beats Giuliani in the general election? I can't think of one.

11:24 AM  
Blogger A.L. said...

Which Dem beats Giuliani in the general election? I can't think of one.

I think most Dems could beat Giuliani in a general election. Presidential elections aren't snap polls. They're long hard slogs. And I think Giuliani would lose his shine pretty quickly. He certainly has the potential to be a tough general election candidate (if he can get there), but a lot of people that look strong can't withstand the hyper-scrutiny of a tough national election.

12:17 PM  
Blogger DXM said...


For some reason Giuliani appeals to hard core conservatives and GOPers despite his socially liberal views. And his social views are liberal -- not moderate.


The reason is summed up in two words:

Amadou Diallo.

The hard core know that Guiliani can be trusted to keep The Other in line. They know he made NYC safe for white people again. They know he's got nothing but contempt for the Constitution. They know that he tried to have elections cancelled after 9/11.

He may be 'liberal', but he's their kind of liberal.

10:35 PM  

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