Wednesday, August 30, 2006

War and History's Verdict

No time to write tonight, so instead I point you toward this excellent post by The Editors. It's sort of a long walk to nowhere, but it's entertaining and insightful nonetheless. I encourage you to read the whole thing.

But if you don't have time, here's an abridged version (which doesn't really do it justice):
These self-evident truths - that Iraq I and Kosovo were, in
some Platonic sense, good and necessary wars, and that Iraq II
was not - are, in descending order of proveability:

1. The opinions one should express if one hopes to be invited to
“whither liberalism?” panel discussions with Peter Beinart and
Tom Friedman and not Gene Healy;

2. The opinions one should express if one hopes to be elected
to national office;

3. True.

It’s worth recounting here what happened which make #1 and
#2 so. In Iraq I and Kosovo, months or years of hard, effective,
and thoroughly unsexy diplomacy and planning laid the political
groundwork for the war to follow. When the war had begun,
the military used the adequate resources they had been given
by the political leadership in order to achieve their agreed-upon,
realistic aims; the enemy obligingly refrained from throwing too
large of a wrench in the works; and so things were brought to a
more-or-less successful conclusion. In Kosovo and Iraq I, as in
Hitler’s successful conquest of France, these things were done
adequately; and in Iraq II, and indeed in ever war which right-
thinking people assure us were strategic mistakes which
should never have been fought, they were not, and now here
we all are. . . .

This is not to downplay the strategic failure of Iraq II, which is
abject - how can one succeed in disarming the unarmed? It’s
just that I doubt very strongly that we would have the same
broad consensus around this strategic failure had the
occupation been managed in a realistic way - the way the
experts explained, time and time again, that it must be done.
It is one thing to decide to do a stupid thing; it is another to do it
in a stupid way. Again, it is arguable that Afghanistan has been
mismanaged as badly as Iraq (albeit on a smaller scale), but
next to nobody thinks it was a mistake - and Beinart doesn’t
even mention it in his list of Eternal Foreign Policy Truths -
because the strategic need was so blindingly obvious. But this
point about seperating the strategic from the nuts-and-bolts
is important, especially when considering Iraq I and Kosovo. . .

Now, like I said, in the particular examples of Iraq I and
Kosovo, I believe these were wars worth fighting. But then,
I like easy positions, because I’m horribly lazy, and they’re
easier. These are rather easy positions to defend, because we
know how these wars turned out, and - because of the hard
work put in by smart and capable people - they turned out
alright in the short-to-medium term. And now we see there is
another side to the “incompetence dodge” - where supporters
of Iraq II explain away fundamental policy failures as being
the result of (absolutely true and extensive) tactical mistakes
made by the people carrying them out. The “competence dodge”
is even easier - because the diplomatic and political and military
decision-making was done well in Kosovo and Iraq I, the
fundamental policy problems underlying them become a lot
easier to ignore.

None of this is to deny that there were mistakes and dishonesty
involved in both of these conflicts - again, for further examples,
see any war ever. But it is very easy to imagine how, if George
Bush the First had decided to press on to Baghdad - as, four
years ago, all serious people agreed he should have - we would
now be talking about the disasterous aftermath of the Gulf War,
and how it proved, as all serious people would agree, that you
should never fight a land war in Asia, or something. And the
conduct of our current war leaves me with no doubt that, had
Rumsfeld & Friends been in charge during Kosovo, we would
all be speaking Serbian right now. Not to get all Man In The High
Castle here, but, had different choices been made in the past,
the present would not be what it is. So as it is a mistake for
people like Beinart to ignore as “unserious” people who saw the
strategic problems with Iraq II before the Bush administration’s
ineptitude made them too obvious to deny, I think it is equally
wrong to label as “unserious” criticisms of the wars which have
gone relatively well. Policy and execution can never be
completely decoupled, but they are distinct, and to conflate one
with the other is a mistake in every instance.
Digg!

4 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

REAL liberals acknowledge that the war, in terms of the real agenda behind this administration, is a smashing success.

Why are some so blind to the profit motives - even a conservative republican president, IKE, WARNED OF THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!

Oil is a major component - these industries are making profits far beyond avarice - yet fools keep talking about "success" in terms of political solutions and stability.

THE MONEY BEING STOLEN BY THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, THE LOOTING OF THE FEDERAL TREASURY, AND THE HIGH COSTS BEING PASSED ON TO CONSUMERS IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT TO THIS ADMINISTRATATION THAN PLATITUDES OF "DEMOCRACY" AND STABILITY IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

Get real - get REAL liberal. A.L., I know you didn't write this - but this type of psuedoanalysis totally avoids and distracts from the real issues.

4:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What bothers me the most about the attitude toward war in this administration is the appalling lack of appreciation for the downside risks of war. This downside risk was discussed at length before the Gulf War and at incredible length before the Kosovo intervention, yet the attitude before the invasion of Iraq was that of a bunch of gang-bangers hell-bent to kick the asses of a rival gang, vying with each other to see who could appear the toughest.

This may have been appropriate in Afghanistan, where there was a rival gang, the Taliban, infesting the place, a "government" which had almost no support internationally from anyone else on the planet. In Iraq, it was arguably less appropriate, especially given the past support from the US given to Hussein's dictatorship. In Iran it is totally ridiculous, and the administration should drop the attitude now.

Someone should also start mentioning the downside risks of starting hostilities with Iran:
1. 130,000 American hostages in Iraq
2. If the Iranians close the Straits of Hormuz, what will happen in Europe and Japan?
3. The theocracy in Iran might be toppled, but what would replace it? Iran is not as tribal as Iraq, but it doesn't exactly have a tradition of democratic government or the rule of law.
4. Afghanistan would almost certainly suffer a security setback with the influx of refugees from Iran.
5. The Islamist parties in Pakistan would be strengthened, and might very well take power. So to prevent an Islamic country, Iran, with at least a nominally democratic government, from eventually developing a nuclear capability, you quite possibly throw a country with demonstrated nuclear weapons into the hands of Islamic extremists, producing a huge increase in the arms race with India, and then in turn with China.
6. The huge spike in the price of oil would make Chavez in Venezuela vastly more powerful, capable of even more meddling in his neighbor's. And probably make him even more paranoid, possibly to the extent of buying nuclear technology from North Korea.
7. I'm sure it will do the situation in Lebanon a world of good. Not.
8. Meanwhile, Somalia drifts further toward "talibanization."
9. Dunno, but if I were Krazy Kim, I'd view this as a clear injunction to demonstrate my nuclear capability more definitely. Otherwise, some neocons are going to start wondering if my capability isn't a practical deterrent, and I'd clearly be in some severe danger. Cue the atmospheric test, and accelerate the missile development!

So without accomplishing anything net positive, you probably bring about a worldwide recession and possible petroleum shortage that might trigger further regional wars, not to mention fueling a few regional arms races.

And I'm not even an expert on South Asia, for heaven's sake! Come on, folks, if an anonymous bozo off the street can see the above, where do the neocons (or whatever they're calling themselves these days) get off without being called on them?

3:08 PM  
Anonymous Yrmstobtsvt&c&c. said...

It is idle to discuss the rightness or wrongness of this war without at least addressing the costs of not having undertaken it. Here is a good starting place: http://www.quasiblog.com/2004/10/sanctions_exhib.html

As for its effect on any possibility of military action against Iran, I very seriously doubt that the Iranian government considers a couple of US armored divisions on its border "hostages." In any event, certainly no liberal, anonymous or otherwise, would want to undertake such action without passing the "international test" and having the approval of the UN Security Council (lacking, of course, in Kosovo).

7:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yrm etc,

Which armored divisions are you referring to? The ones strung out all over Iraq, with supply lines stretching down into Kuwait and up into Turkey and west into Jordan?

What's actually in Iraq at present, according to the best information I've located, are brigades or battalions of various divisions, of which only pieces of the 1st Armored is in Iraq. And they're not on the border with Iran.

None of the divisions located in Iraq, at a guess, can safely be moved against Iran. They're needed where they are, or Iraq collapses.

At any rate, the idea that the troops in Iraq are, essentially, hostages, isn't my own. Read around a little.

As for analysis about the costs of not undertaking a given military action, I'll get them from reputable think tanks, not from random blog-like entities, thank you. At least with the think tanks you can generally figure out where the biases are.

8:46 PM  

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