Partisanized Moderates
(updated below)
Josh Marshall's latest post hits very close to home. He begins by posting an email from a reader:
The American left is by no means a homogeneous group. It never has been. And during the Clinton years, the Democratic party had the luxury of engaging in a considerable amount of internal debate with respect to policy issues. The Clinton White House was wonkish to its core and encouraged this sort of reassessment. Many people, myself included, emerged from the Clinton era considering ourselves to be "new Democrats" or "neoliberals" or some similar variation. Indeed, when I first thought about starting a blog, the first domain name I considered was www.neoliberal.com (apparently still not taken).
But by the time I actually got around to starting this blog, it was already pretty clear to me that the Bush administration had succeeded in rendering these distinctions all but meaningless. With the Democratic party in the political wilderness, the Bush administration and the GOP Congress set the agenda.
And what difference does it make where you fall on the political spectrum when the primary subject of debate is whether massive tax cuts for the wealthy will pay for themselves or whether social security is on the verge of going "bankrupt"? These aren't even policy questions; they're empirical/factual ones. How can you have a real policy debate when the facts themselves are made up?
By the same token, does it really matter whether you're a "paleoliberal" or "neoliberal" when the issue is whether or not to amend the Constitution to ban gay marriage and flag burning? And what exactly is the "new Democrat" position on whether or not the President has the inherent power to violate longstanding criminal laws?
And, for that matter, shouldn't pretty much everyone be against widespread Congressional corruption and a system where our most important legislation is drafted by lobbyists for the industries regulated by it?
Even in the area of foreign policy--where liberal "doves" are supposedly always at odds with liberal "hawks"--just about everyone without partisan blinders on (or named Joe Lieberman) can see that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake and that the execution of the war has been marked by incompetence of the highest order.
With respect to all these issues, there is no real policy debate to be had. Left-leaning folks of any stripe have little choice but to try to step in and holler "stop." That's why, to a casual observer, blogs like this one are often indistinguishable from those written by people much further to my left. As much as I'd love to talk about issues that separate various left-of-center constituencies, those issues just aren't on the table at the moment. Those debates will have to wait until the Democratic party once again has some ability to control the agenda in this country.
Hopefully that day will come sooner rather than later.
UPDATE: Kevin Drum responds to Josh's post:
Greg Wythe weighs in as well.
Josh Marshall's latest post hits very close to home. He begins by posting an email from a reader:
When I found your site, you had a similar sort of "NewAfter a long response, which is well worth reading in its entirety, Josh concludes:
Democrat" approach. You talked a lot about ideas and
while you were certainly a Democrat, but not in a partisan
or overly ideological way. . . .
What I first loved about your site is gone, however, but I
don't blame you. I blame Bush et al. And that's a shame.
I feel like I lost a real part of me is gone [sic], taken by Bush
and the greater Republican movement. That all of our
efforts must focus on opposing each and every assertion
made by this group; detailing, chronicling and exposing
every lie, fallacy, and evil act. Clearly, you too realize
this is the only reasonable tactic for us to pursue.
The era of ideas, debate, and moderation is gone (for now),
not by our choice, but by theirs. That is Lieberman's
problem and an ever shrinking number of holdouts. I really
am angry about the loss of a worldview and approach that
I valued. Your site's transition is one small bit of evidence
of that loss.
In any case, this is all a way of saying that in thisExcept for his use of the word "variegation"--which is apparently a botanical term--Josh pretty well sums up what I've been feeling lately.
all-or-nothing crisis the country has been passing through,
I think it's made sense to line up with those who say, No.
I guess I'm one of those partisanized moderates Kevin Drum
has spoken of (not sure that's precisely the phrase he used.)
That leads to a certain loss of nuance sometimes in
commentary and a loss in the variegation of our politics
generally. As a writer, often it's less satisfying.
But I cannot see looking back on all this, the threat the
country is under, and saying, I stood aloof.
The American left is by no means a homogeneous group. It never has been. And during the Clinton years, the Democratic party had the luxury of engaging in a considerable amount of internal debate with respect to policy issues. The Clinton White House was wonkish to its core and encouraged this sort of reassessment. Many people, myself included, emerged from the Clinton era considering ourselves to be "new Democrats" or "neoliberals" or some similar variation. Indeed, when I first thought about starting a blog, the first domain name I considered was www.neoliberal.com (apparently still not taken).
But by the time I actually got around to starting this blog, it was already pretty clear to me that the Bush administration had succeeded in rendering these distinctions all but meaningless. With the Democratic party in the political wilderness, the Bush administration and the GOP Congress set the agenda.
And what difference does it make where you fall on the political spectrum when the primary subject of debate is whether massive tax cuts for the wealthy will pay for themselves or whether social security is on the verge of going "bankrupt"? These aren't even policy questions; they're empirical/factual ones. How can you have a real policy debate when the facts themselves are made up?
By the same token, does it really matter whether you're a "paleoliberal" or "neoliberal" when the issue is whether or not to amend the Constitution to ban gay marriage and flag burning? And what exactly is the "new Democrat" position on whether or not the President has the inherent power to violate longstanding criminal laws?
And, for that matter, shouldn't pretty much everyone be against widespread Congressional corruption and a system where our most important legislation is drafted by lobbyists for the industries regulated by it?
Even in the area of foreign policy--where liberal "doves" are supposedly always at odds with liberal "hawks"--just about everyone without partisan blinders on (or named Joe Lieberman) can see that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake and that the execution of the war has been marked by incompetence of the highest order.
With respect to all these issues, there is no real policy debate to be had. Left-leaning folks of any stripe have little choice but to try to step in and holler "stop." That's why, to a casual observer, blogs like this one are often indistinguishable from those written by people much further to my left. As much as I'd love to talk about issues that separate various left-of-center constituencies, those issues just aren't on the table at the moment. Those debates will have to wait until the Democratic party once again has some ability to control the agenda in this country.
Hopefully that day will come sooner rather than later.
UPDATE: Kevin Drum responds to Josh's post:
I've tried harder than Josh to retain a moderate tone over
the years, but this describes me pretty well too. And just
recently I've been thinking about what a genuinely
profound story this is, one that the mainstream media
ought to be more interested in. Instead of writing
incessantly about "angry bloggers," they ought to be
asking why so many mild-mannered moderate liberals
have become so radicalized during George Bush's tenure.
It deserves attention beyond the level of cliches and
slogans.
Greg Wythe weighs in as well.



13 Comments:
The time of moderates is over. . . for now. We are a country going dangerously off balance politically.
In an age where opposing partisans are operating with authoritarian discipline, there is no room for moderates.
Moderates, in such an age, are "spoilers" of the votes necessary to regain balance.
Left-leaning folks of any stripe have little choice but to try to step in and holler "stop."
And then of course the opposing authoritarians retaliate by accusing the "left," such as it is, of not having any "concrete" alternative plans. Who can know, at this point, what a plausible alternative might look like? The Middle East, from Afghanistan to Haifa, has descended into nothing but chaos and bloodfeuds, and at home tax revenues must be close to bottoming out, as our own inner cities slowly fall to pieces themselves (and never even mind the environment).
While I agree that it's absolutely necessary to stop the insanity, I think it's unfair, both to yourself and other liberal commentators, to say that we're not, or we can't, talk about policy at the same time. I see this as a good time to re-articulate the basic differences between Republican and Democrat, right and left (again, such as it is), in the USA. As they once did on "The West Wing": one party wants to save social security, the other wants to destroy it; one side wants to provide health care for everyone, the other doesn't; one side is for equal opportunity and affirmative action, the other isn't; and, at this point the most obvious and easily argued: one side wants to continue the bloody murder of our current foreign policy, and the other wants to recognize reality and start dealing with it in a more civilized fashion.
But, again, first thing's first, and all of this can be prefaced by a barbaric yawp of protest.
Best,
JLB
Sorry to pick nits, but "variegated-colored" is a phrase a use [as often as applicable, I guess]. Fancy word for varied, mottled, splotchy.
JLB, I also sing Whitman.
...phrase "I" use [not "a"]
When you oversimplify on issues such as Social Security, universal health care, and Affirmative Action (the capitalization indicates the programs, not the concepts) you highlight the fundamental differences among Democrats (or the entire electorate to the left of Dick Cheney.)
Sorry, but as A. L. says, we are simply not going to agree on all these issues. I think, as he indicates, that it is not only useless to discuss them, but I'll go farther -- it is damaging. Disagreements among ourselves about whether Social Security taxes should not be capped or whether benefits should be cut simply create wedges that unscrupulous political operatives can use to further their narrative about the Democrats not having "a policy".
Stick with the main issues that we can all agree on, which, due to the cabal which currently operates our country, have taken on emergency status. Opposition to the continued occupation of Iraq, for example. We don't have to choose between immediate withdrawal versus a staged withdrawal at this point, but I think we can agree that we want out -- and it won't happen unless it is forced from our side. Opposition to the lack of Congressional oversight, for another. Opposition to dictatorship, or, if you prefer, a requirement that the president not break the laws of this country, for a third. Executive branch accountability to the people, for a fourth. Competency and openness in government, for a fifth.
If we insist on these principles, much of the rest will fall out in the form of compromise solutions. I think that, on the heels of a defeat, or even a prospective defeat, at the polls in November, Rumsfeld would be thrown to the wolves, and he'd take a lot of the neocons infesting the DoD with him. If not, and sufficient Democrats are elected to begin a long-delayed investigation into the actions of this administration, heads will roll and changes will happen quickly.
First things first is a good methodology for getting things done, don't you think? When our very structure of governance (checks and balances, rule of law, oversight by Congress, independence of the judiciary, possible expansion of the current mideast adventure) is at risk, spending time worrying about universal health care is a bad choice.
Agreed on methodology. First those with alternative views must regain the power to express and actualize them. I just think it's worth remembering that these imperatives you list -- reinstating a functioning system of checks and balances, a responsible, decent, humane policy in the Middle East, etc. -- are part of a broader worldview that privileges concepts of justice and equality more generally, which is, I think, at the heart of the liberal position. The unilateralism in foreign policy is akin to the culture of selfishness and acquisition trumpeted by the right. Enron execs (and their ilk) running roughshod over the lives and livelihoods of their own shareholders and employees is qualitatively different from the problems in the Middle East, but both arise from a similar mindset, a similar idea about power and the public good -- which I might, in perhaps a radical way, summarize thus: a maniacal reverence for the former, and a total lack of concern for the latter.
Cheers,
Hey it's not just left leaning folks. As a libertarian leaning rich white guy, I was all behind the Republican takeover in '94. Now, it's just like Animal Farm with the pigs taking over, and I will vote Democrat in 2008 unless Repubs can pull it back together.
It's so bizarre what's happened with the politics of this country. In 94 I'd have been willing to wager my net worth that there was no way I would ever even think about voting Hillary for Pres in 2008.
It still freaks me out! What the hell happened?
Thank you for writing this, A.L.
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A lot of bloggers like Josh Marshall still cling to one last vestige of moderation, refusing to acknowledge that last remedy available for extinguishing this insane executive power grab.
And any time they feel awkward about the stances Bush has pushed them to take, and how close it seems to put them to the "left" they used to look down their noses at, they pronounce that remedy to be "a bad idea."
How can one be moderate in an atmosphere that demands absolutism? If you attempt to reason about any issue, you are attacked as wishy-washy, flip-floppy, blah blah blah. And of course, it goes with incessant saying how unamerican such moderate behavior is -- because it will let the evil ones win. Etc etc etc.
And the media, with its redefinition of objectivity to mean repeating the 'two' sides to any issue without providing any context in terms of fact or reality, has given moderate analysis the kiss of death.
As Martin Morgan says, the political spectrum has undergone a significant transformation over the last 10-15 years. I used to be a Republican until the early 90s, when my sensibilities finally caught up to my youthful ignorance. I grew up in a Republican household, yet my parents are now avowed Democrats who despise Bush and company. Conversely, there are many of modest means in this country who would have been sworn Dems in the past but who now have bought into the bigotry and nationalistic fervor spewed by the Republicans. It's crazy!
While policy issues, especially those surrounding domestic and economic issues, are important, an Executive branch that is attempting to fundamentally alter the constitutional foundation of the republic absolutely must receive TOP priority. That HAS to be the focus of the opposition. It is critical that this affront to our form of government is addressed.
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