Tuesday, August 22, 2006

The Incomprehensible War

Last week Digby wrote the following about Iraq:

[T]his war makes Vietnam a moment of foreign policy
clarity. It was certainly a mistake to put so much
importance on the idea that the US could not afford to
fail in a small proxy war or risk communism taking over
the far east. But at least everyone understood the premise
and could either agree or disagree with it. This war in Iraq
is totally incomprehensible to everyone. We invaded for
dozens of disparate reasons none of which were entirely
compelling and all of which have been proven to be
mistaken. We are throwing away hundreds of billions and
yet there are now many more terrorists in Iraq than there
were before the invasion and many more all around the
world because of it. Oil prices are sky high and rising. The
middle east is more unstable than its been in many decades.
Lots and lots of people are dying.
It really is incomprehensible. It's now been over three years since we invaded Iraq, and still, remarkably, no one can say with any certainty why we did it. There's a tendency among political commentators (and I'm certainly as guilty of this as anyone) to discuss the Bush administration as if it were some monolithic entity, rather than a collection of people with differing priorities and different motives for lining up behind any given policy.

There were no doubt some administration officials--Paul Wolfowitz, for instance--who, from the beginning, subscribed to the neocon fantasy of bringing democracy to the Middle East by force, one country at a time. I suspect others--particularly Donald Rumsfeld--were just eager for the opportunity to test out our new "leaner and meaner" military. Still others--Cheney comes to mind--likely saw Iraq as an opportunity to demonstrate American strength, to, as Michael Ledeen put it, "pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show we mean business." Karl Rove likely saw the war as an opportunity to further cement the President's image as a strong wartime leader (he probably had the whole flightsuit/aircraft carrier photo-op planned out well before the invasion). There were clearly other factors at play as well, like Saddam's supposed WMD, Bush's desire to finish what his father had started, and the perceived strategic value of Iraq's oil supply.

To this day it is still not clear, even to those of us who follow politics very closely, which of these various rationales was the "real" reason we went to war. And if it's unclear to us, it's really unclear to the average American, who doesn't have the time (or desire) to wade through all the propaganda. The Bush administration's public rationale for invading Iraq has gone through any number of iterations over the last three years. But at all points along the way, the message has been muddled and filled with rhetoric designed to confuse people and foster pre-existing misunderstandings.

In the lead up to the invasion, Bush and his surrogates repeatedly conflated Saddam Hussein, al Qaeda, and the events of 9/11, leading a sizable majority of Americans to believe that Saddam was involved in planning the 9/11 attacks. I haven't seen any recent polling on this question, but I suspect this misunderstanding is still common. After all, a full 50% of Americans still believe that Saddam had WMD.

From the beginning, Bush's public statements about Iraq have referred cryptically to "terrorists" or "our enemy" or "they," making little, if any, attempt to explain to Americans the differences between Al Qaeda, Sunni Baathists, Shiite militiamen, etc. I suspect that for a great many of those who support the war, the logic behind it has always been pretty simple: "they" attacked us, so now we're attacking "them." And if that's what you believe, the Iraq war makes every bit as much sense as the war against Japan in World War II.

We'd all like to assume that most people have a more nuanced understanding of foreign policy, but is there any reason to believe that's true? I'm not suggesting that Americans are stupid, just that many aren't really following the plot, so to speak.

But as Iraq descends into civil war, an increasing number of Americans are beginning to see the enormous disconnect between the events of 9/11 and the self-inflicted debacle that is the Iraq War.

This really is an entirely incomprehensible war. No one knows why we're there. No one knows how to "win." And no one knows how to go about extricating ourselves without causing even more chaos and violence.

UPDATE: A commenter below writes:
That's quite an accusation to make -- "those who disagree
with my political conclusions are idiots." Its hard to support,
however. The war enjoys supporters from across the political
spectrum from former trotskyites (Hitchens) to
neoconservatives (wolfowitz) to reddest of red states old syle
conservatives (Cheney).

Look, I wasn't suggesting that there aren't intelligent, informed people who support this war (even today). But I think you're kidding yourself if you think that most Americans who support this war do so for the same reasons as Christopher Hitchens or Paul Wolfowitz. The polls just don't bear that out. In 2003, 70% of Americans thought Saddam Hussein was involved in the events of 9/11. 70%! And 50% of Americans still believe Saddam had WMD. You can pretend, if you want, that the average war supporter believes deeply in the idea of creating a "beachhead for democracy" in Baghdad, but I just don't think that's accurate. That doesn't, of course, prove that Hitchens or Wolfowitz are wrong (though I think reality does at this point). But my point is that the war is all but incomprehensible to most people (myself included), and much of the lingering public support for it is premised upon a simplistic and/or misinformed understanding of the basic facts.
Digg!

16 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

There's a circle-jerk, knew you could do it!!!!! Do you guys/gals really have nothing better to do but link back and forth like somehow you and your little friends define "liberal" thoughts and traditions?

1:49 AM  
Blogger Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

Whatever the reasons that got us in this mess are almost irrelevent now. It was a bad idea and now it is a big mess.

I think we really need to reconsider what seems to be a conventional wisdom "how to go about extricating ourselves without causing even more chaos and violence." and Colin Powell's doctrine of "if you break it, you own it."

How do we know that leaving will make things worse than they already are? Who is Al Qaeda's ally, the Sunni or the Shia or neither? Why can't we just focus on Osama and aggresively protecting ourselves from terrorist attack and let the Iraqi's duke it out. Why can't the Saudi's, Jordanians, Egyptions, Kuwait''s and others protect themselves with all the money they get from oil revenues? Would these middle Eastern powers allow Al Qaeda to wreck it for them?

Leaving might be the best solution to the problem. None of the OPEC members in the region want their golden goose cooked. Let them keep the oven door locked and closed by themselves.

3:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Anonymous who said "aaaaaahhhhhh":

Can you explain yourself more fully? I understand
that you are trying to be sarcastic, but I don't
really get any meaning besides general nastiness.

What other lines of liberal thoughts and
traditions do you think are neglected in this post?
What do you disagree with?

-Andy

5:13 AM  
Blogger JLB said...

Some guy has been hanging around here for a while now, accusing people of "circle-jerking," whatever that might mean. Comments without substance, like that one, should simply be ignored. Is it possible to reason with someone using such language?

My own two cents are these: this is a great post. Sometimes the application of the right word, a single word, speaks volumes. In this case, the word is: "incomprehensible."

Best,

JLB

6:30 AM  
Anonymous Ron said...

Bush/Cheney etc are still hoping against hope that they’ll be able to muscle the world back to a time when the lines of dominance were clear and unarguable: frat boys trumped "faggots," men trumped women, whites trumped blacks, “adult races” trumped “child races,” the United States trumped everybody.

I honestly think this gang believes that if they can simply control the system long enough, all will be put right. No more “women libbers,” “dirty hippies,” multiculturalism, “living Constitution,” or any of those other things that have “ruined” the world.

That Iraq has gone bad is not proof to these folks that their ideas were wrong, but simply that things were worse than they thought.

8:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AL,

Many of those critical of the Iraq war frequently suggest that supporters of the war and Bush are stupid, or as you more delicately put it in this post lack "nuance" or "can't follow the plot."

That's quite an accusation to make -- "those who disagree with my political conclusions are idiots." Its hard to support, however. The war enjoys supporters from across the political spectrum from former trotskyites (Hitches) to neoconservatives (wolfowitz) to reddest of red states old syle conservatives (Cheney). Some of the reasons that these war supporters trumpet are different or even conflicting, but you cannot deny that some rather nuanced theories have been advanced and continue to be held by people like Hitchens and Wolfowitz who the anti-war crowd cannot easily dismiss as stupid. I happen to agree with the argument -- misunderstood by Digby -- advanced by Wolfowitz that by bringing liberal democracy to Iraq by force (not every country in the mid east one at a time, but just Iraq), and establishing a beachhead of democracy, a ripple effect should ensue spreading democracy throughout the region. This is obviously a long-term goal that cannot be accomplished overnight. It requires patience and a willingness not to rush to judgment.

I'm not saying that everyone who supports the war supports it for this reason, but I do and so do many others . And we also support the war for the secondary reason that liberating a people (or three peoples as it were: sunni, shia, and the kurds) from an inhuman totalitarian war-mongering regime, is usually a pretty good thing.

So, while I appreciate and understand some criticism of the war -- I do not see how a liberal can argue or agree with the proposition that justification of the war is incomprehensible and that those who do support it "aren't following the plot."

9:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks, A. L. I think this post lays out a crucial insight into where we are and how we got here.

I think that to understand the motivations of this administration it is vital to understand the various power blocs that make it up. The rovian opportunists, the neocons scheming to implement the vision (see PNAC), the corporate statists looking to appropriate the mechanism of the state to gain power and profits, the others -- but don't overlook the use they've made of George Bush, the man without principles, who can be pushed around into any direction they like. Also we need to consider the way they've used and fed off of each other. Lots of well-meaning and intelligent people have supported various policies of this administration (usually to find they've been duped at the end.)

The fact is that, in this country, any ruling group is going to be a coalition, so the same sort of jockeying and manipulation of the administration is going to occur.

This is going to happen no matter how strong-willed a leader we elect, but not to the degree that we've seen in the last few years. It takes a peculiar combination of weakness of intellect and strong convictions in the leader. Weakness of intellect allows others to easily sway Bush. Strong convictions prevent him from just swinging back the other way tomorrow. Bush is like one of those old whiteboards you find, where they can't be erased anymore without strong solvents.

In today's political climate a person with strong individual convictions about many issues is almost certainly going to be selected out of the candidate pool. I suggest that we should look for either a more intelligent person next time, or, if another dolt, we should pick one more like an etch-a-sketch.

9:14 AM  
Blogger Prup (aka Jim Benton) said...

In reality, the reasons why we went into Iraq don't matter that much. Some were good, some were bad. Yes, I would be glad to see Iraq -- or any country -- become democratic, because I believe in democracy. Yes, it is probably a good thing that Saddam was overthrown. But what matters is not our reasons, or even so much what the war has done to American politics and the Constitution -- as important as that is -- but what it has done to the people who were the victims of our good and bad idea.
They are not characters in a video game. They are not less human because they aren't Americans. They are not faceless stick figures wearing the label "Iraqi" (and maybe wearing other labels as well, like "Sunni" "Shiite" or "secular or whatever). They are people, which is why I feel that no one should comment on the war without spending at least a couple of hours reading Iraqi blogs, perhaps the only way we have, here, of feeling what they are feeling -- and read across the spectrum of opinion, not just the supporters of one position.

I have to give a couple of examples, both from bloggers who have been forced to leave Iraq because they just couldn't take it any more. The first is from "Treasure of Baghdad," an excellent reporter -- who broke the Haditha story, btw, and whose coverage was only confirmed by the TIME story and the later events.
"I never thought that one day I will restore my real youth smile. I didn't know that there is still hope of living normally even if it is away from my own country. I gave up hoping that my beloved country may be safe and normal again.

My life has changed now. I can breath, walk, laugh, joke, cry, run, have fun, and meet with friends and relatives. I missed these things for years. For the last three years, I was like a robot. Living and working for the sake of work and nothing else. No kind of life was represented in my previous life. Fear was my companion. Wherever I go I feel worried and whatever I do I feel cautious. I thought about each step I walked in Baghdad several times before I took its risk."

(The whole article is worth reading. It is
http://baghdadtreasure.blogspot.com/2006/08/back-to-life.html#comments)

The second is from Raghda Zaid, "Baghdad Girl" a 14-year old, probably fifteen by now, whose blog, with her pictures of kittens had the slogan
"Iraq for ever, cats for ever and Baghdad Girl forever"

"Dear friends,
I finaly finished my exams and I think I did very well, the final marks will be released after two weeks or so, with all that the situation in Iraq is very bad and it keep getting worse with every new day, it made my parents decide to leave Iraq heading to the UAE, and to keep my self from getting hurt I have to leave my country, my family, my friends, and my cats, all I can do now is hope that I'll be able to return back to Iraq one day and that things will be different from what it is now.
But I promise that I'll never stop blogging no matter where I am.

Yours,
Raghda."

From her post, "Leaving Iraq"
http://baghdadgirl.blogspot.com/

These are the real reasons we have to stop this war, whether our intention were good, bad, or mixed.

9:40 AM  
Blogger A.L. said...

That's quite an accusation to make -- "those who disagree with my political conclusions are idiots." Its hard to support, however. The war enjoys supporters from across the political spectrum from former trotskyites (Hitches) to neoconservatives (wolfowitz) to reddest of red states old syle conservatives (Cheney).

I wasn't suggesting that there aren't intelligent people who support this war (even today). But I think you're kidding yourself if you think that most Americans who support this war do so for the same reasons as Christopher Hitchens and Paul Wolfowitz. The polls just don't bear that out. In 2003, 70% of Americans thought Saddam Hussein was involved in the events of 9/11. 70%! You can pretend, if you want, that the average war supporter believes deeply in the idea of creating a "beachhead for democracy" in Baghdad, but it's just not the case. That doesn't, of course, prove that Hitchens or Wolfowitz are wrong (though I think reality does at this point). But the point is that the war is all but incomprehensible to most people, which makes public support for it quite precarious.

9:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AL,
So what is your take on the theories of someone like Thomas PM Barnett, who simply thinks Iraq is the the start of "shrinking the gap" of economic and political poverty.


Im interested in your opinion


Brandon M

11:34 AM  
Blogger A.L. said...

So what is your take on the theories of someone like Thomas PM Barnett, who simply thinks Iraq is the the start of "shrinking the gap" of economic and political poverty.

I confess, I haven't read Barnett's books (I've just read articles about them), so forgive me if I misstate his positions. I think Barnett's notion of the "gap" between the developed world and the rest is hard to argue with. I question, however, his suggestion that this gap is the root cause of islamic radicalism. Particularly in light of recent events, it seems clear that such radicalism can surface in the developed world as well. I also question the idea that the way to bridge this gap is to invade backwards countries like Iraq and try to recreate them in the Western model. That doesn't seem to be working too well.

12:15 PM  
Blogger LongHairedWeirdo said...

Why did we invade Iraq?

Because Bush had decided to do so, before he even became President.

Think about this:

You're the President. You're facing the worst terrorist attack ever. The man who ran the response, the man who coordinated everything dealing with the response, the man who's been telling you that AQ was going to hit us and hit us hard is in front of you. What do you think about?

Here's a better question. What don't you think about?

Hint: rhymes with "two-bit nation that has no involvement with the attack", which, conveniently, rhymes with "Iraq".

Why did Bush ask Clarke about whether Saddam or Iraq was involved *less than 48 hours after the attacks*?

Was was Iraq even on Bush's mind at that time? Why was he asking for a connection?

Answer: he'd already decided he would invade, and realized that this might have provided an excuse.

Can you think of a better reason? I can't. And, honestly, to be fair to Bush, I've tried. The kindest I can come up with is "he had dreams of invading Iraq (but hadn't solidified a plan yet)" or "he hoped to invade during his second term, but saw a chance to do it in his first".

Because, Richard Clarke wasn't just asked "could this have been Iraq?" If he'd been asked that question, said no, and been asked "are you absolutely sure? Could you just run through everything, one last time to be sure?", then I could believe that Bush was covering a possibility that was always on his mind.

But that's not what Bush asked about. Bush asked for a connection to Iraq and Saddam. Twice. He wanted a connection to be there.

It's not proof, but it's enough for me. The rest of the reasoning, well, it was a lot of smoke, a lot of mirrors, and a lot of people who can't believe they were taken in by smoke and mirrors.

4:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

circle-jerk refers to the endless set of links across a group of self-proclaimed "liberal" bloggers that know nothing about liberal or progressive politics.

Just like the MSM that constantly parades the same know-nothings about as if they were the "experts," the circle-jerk constantly links to the same 3 or 4 blogs as if these were the only sources of liberal perspectives or valid thoughts.

Its a marketing scam - just like when MSM parades tucker calson to create a phony aura of credibility. It is just another form of a lie.

Most of this circle-jerk flames or outright bans dialog about real liberal issues because its all about self-promotion and pretending to be an experts.

A.L. has better things to say than most - obviously he reads more than the circle-jerk, today he chooses to promote the circle-jerk instead of more meaningful perspectives by people that actually have something to say.

12:52 AM  
Blogger Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

Dear Anonymous Circle Jerker,

Do you have any thing of substance about liberal or progressive politics to add to the conversation yourself, your own opinion or thoughts?

Do you have any sites or other voices outside of the dreaded circle to point out to other readers?

Do you have a name to distinguish yourself from all the other Anonymous folks? Would CJ work for you?

Is your only contribution going to be an endless repetative comment from a jerk?

3:12 AM  
Anonymous Yrmstobtsvt&c&c. said...

Here--perhaps the Hon. W. Jefferson Clinton can aid your comprehension, in his own words:

“It is obvious that there is an attempt here, based on the whole history of this operation since 1991, to protect whatever remains of [Saddam’s] capacity to produce weapons of mass destruction, the missiles to deliver them, and the feed stocks necessary to produce them. The UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq still has stockpiles of chemical and biological munitions, a small force of Scud-type missiles, and the capacity to restart quickly its production program and build many, many more weapons....

“Now, let’s imagine the future. What if [Saddam] fails to comply, and we fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third route which gives him yet more opportunities to develop this program of weapons of mass destruction and continue to press for the release of the sanctions and continue to ignore the solemn commitments that he made? Well, he will conclude that the international community has lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction. And some day, some way, I guarantee you, he’ll use the arsenal. And I think every one of you who’s really worked on this for any length of time believes that, too. [emphasis added] If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program.”

7:51 PM  
Blogger Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

Guess what Clinton isn't the president anymore. What is the date on the words you quote?

The intelligence used to move this country into war should have been fresh and honest in its assesment of the situation. Bush had been president for two years by March of 2003 when we invaded Iraq. What Bill Clinton said or thinks has never been and never will be relevent to the Bush Whitehouse and his supporters.

The responsibility for this mess lands squarely in the lap of George W. Bush.

9:22 PM  

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