Rove Lives to Slime Again Another Day
The big news this morning is that Karl Rove's attorney has received a letter indicating that Patrick Fitzgerald has decided not to indict Rove. I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't disappointed. Rove has single-handedly done more to cheapen and polarize American politics than perhaps anyone else in modern times. But alas, that alone is not a crime.
Patrick Fitzgerald, whom I have enormous respect for as an attorney, has evidently decided that Rove's conduct either 1) did not rise to the level of warranting criminal charges or 2) did warrant charges, but would be too difficult to prove. Given the length of this investigation, I highly suspect it's the latter, though the beauty of our grand jury system is that we'll probably never know. And that's the way it should be. People who are not criminally charged should not have to live under the burden of unproven or unprovable official accusations.
That said, it's unfortunate that the specter of a criminal indictment has obscured the fact that Rove's acknowledged conduct in this matter is more than enough to warrant immediate dismissal from his job. It is undisputed that Rove was centrally involved in the events leading to the outing of Valerie Plame. He disclosed classified information (even if it was unknowingly) to at least two reporters, both of whom published it. And whether or not Rove intentionally misled investigators and a federal grand jury (and I strongly suspect he did), he clearly misled Scott McClellan, causing him to make public statements that Rove knew to be untrue. If that's not a fireable offense, then what is?
And finally, I want to address this assertion, by John Podhoretz at the Corner:
What rubbish. Rove is no victim here. He brought all of this on himself. He would not have had to testify five times had he been more forthcoming to the grand jury. And Fitzgerald's conduct demonstrates restraint and discretion, not overzealousness. I'm sure Fitzgerald could have secured an indictment of Rove if he wanted to, and he likely would have had a decent circumstantial case. But, after a thorough investigation, Fitzgerald ultimately decided that the case wasn't worth bringing. That's admirable, not disgraceful conduct.
Plus, I suspect Rove's freedom from charges is conditioned on his continued cooperation with the prosecutor's office, i.e., being willing to testify truthfully on behalf of the prosecution whenever called upon to do so. [Update: According to Jeralyn, Luskin has confirmed that there is no deal in place between Rove and Fitzgerald. This is apparently a unilateral decision by Fitzgerald not to prosecute. Rove will still have to testify if called upon to do so, as anyone would, but he will not face any heightened exposure based on a cooperation clause.]
Patrick Fitzgerald, whom I have enormous respect for as an attorney, has evidently decided that Rove's conduct either 1) did not rise to the level of warranting criminal charges or 2) did warrant charges, but would be too difficult to prove. Given the length of this investigation, I highly suspect it's the latter, though the beauty of our grand jury system is that we'll probably never know. And that's the way it should be. People who are not criminally charged should not have to live under the burden of unproven or unprovable official accusations.
That said, it's unfortunate that the specter of a criminal indictment has obscured the fact that Rove's acknowledged conduct in this matter is more than enough to warrant immediate dismissal from his job. It is undisputed that Rove was centrally involved in the events leading to the outing of Valerie Plame. He disclosed classified information (even if it was unknowingly) to at least two reporters, both of whom published it. And whether or not Rove intentionally misled investigators and a federal grand jury (and I strongly suspect he did), he clearly misled Scott McClellan, causing him to make public statements that Rove knew to be untrue. If that's not a fireable offense, then what is?
And finally, I want to address this assertion, by John Podhoretz at the Corner:
Karl Rove won't say it, and his lawyer won't say it,
but I'll say it: Patrick Fitzgerald's conduct in the
Rove matter has been disgraceful. He kept Rove
hanging for eight months with his bizarre game
of keeping the Rove case "open" even though
he claimed he did not expect any more
indictments. I'd guess this cost Rove several
hundred thousand dollars in legal fees and
months of sleepless nights. Nice work, Patrick.
You have once again reminded us why the
misbegotten term "special prosecutor" should
be considered an obscenity.
What rubbish. Rove is no victim here. He brought all of this on himself. He would not have had to testify five times had he been more forthcoming to the grand jury. And Fitzgerald's conduct demonstrates restraint and discretion, not overzealousness. I'm sure Fitzgerald could have secured an indictment of Rove if he wanted to, and he likely would have had a decent circumstantial case. But, after a thorough investigation, Fitzgerald ultimately decided that the case wasn't worth bringing. That's admirable, not disgraceful conduct.
Plus, I suspect Rove's freedom from charges is conditioned on his continued cooperation with the prosecutor's office, i.e., being willing to testify truthfully on behalf of the prosecution whenever called upon to do so. [Update: According to Jeralyn, Luskin has confirmed that there is no deal in place between Rove and Fitzgerald. This is apparently a unilateral decision by Fitzgerald not to prosecute. Rove will still have to testify if called upon to do so, as anyone would, but he will not face any heightened exposure based on a cooperation clause.]



19 Comments:
Perhaps not. It seems the Wilsons might take him to civil court.
Oh, I certainly HOPE Wilson is stupid enough to take Rove to civil court. Then the pesky FACTS, for example that Plame wasn't an undercover agent under the meaning of the relevant law at the time, will come out in the one venue that liberals tend to worship: A court.
That would be TOO fun to watch, though, so I doubt it will happen...
Oh, I certainly HOPE Wilson is stupid enough to take Rove to civil court. Then the pesky FACTS, for example that Plame wasn't an undercover agent under the meaning of the relevant law at the time, will come out in the one venue that liberals tend to worship: A court.
First of all, it's not clear that Plame wasn't "covert" within the meaning of the IIPA. I think that's a litigatable issue. But secondly, it's irrelevant. The Wilson's would not sue Rove under the IIPA, but under some sort of tort theory. There are a number of potential obstacles to such a suit, however, most notably the fact that Rove does not appear to be the primary tortfeasor. Novak's as-of-yet undisclosed first source is the primary tortfeasor, if there is one.
You made some good points, then wrote this nonsense:
Plus, I suspect Rove's freedom from charges is conditioned on his continued cooperation with the prosecutor's office, i.e., being willing to testify truthfully on behalf of the prosecution whenever called upon to do so.
As if he could do otherwise. What's Rove gonna do, thumb his nose at a witness subpoena and reserve his right to lie? Call Fitzgerald names? Fight the FBI with harsh language?
Please.
As if he could do otherwise. What's Rove gonna do, thumb his nose at a witness subpoena and reserve his right to lie? Call Fitzgerald names? Fight the FBI with harsh language?
When prosecutors reach deals with prospective defendants, they often include a cooperation clause that basically says that if you are anything less than 100% cooperative and truthful going forward, all bets are off. That means no 5th amendment, no funny business on the stand, etc.
A.L said..
"Plus, I suspect Rove's freedom from charges is conditioned on his continued cooperation with the prosecutor's office, i.e., being willing to testify truthfully on behalf of the prosecution whenever called upon to do so."
What a ridiculous statement. Rove has no more responsibility than any other person called upon to testify in a legal matter.
RT
What a ridiculous statement. Rove has no more responsibility than any other person called upon to testify in a legal matter.
Not necessarily. Like I said, cooperation clauses are often parts of deals. And it's not that Rove would have heightened responsibility, it's that he would have heightened exposure if he decided to be uncooperative or untruthful.
It seems to me that Wilson caused all this trouble to begin with. If Wilson had not lied about his trip to Nigeria, and we have a congressional hearing that states that he did, he wouldn't have put himself and his wife in any position. As it stands, the number one benefactor for the "exposing" of his wife appears to be Joe Wilson. He has had a huge book deal, his wife is about to get a huge book deal and it far exceeds anything they could have made at their jobs. In the end, I believe we will find that Joe Wislon exposed his wife, and he did it because he knew that there was no down side. Heads he wins, tails he wins.
Shane
hanson807@cableone.net
So you think it should be a crime to "cheapen and polarize" American politics? Would that law apply only to people you don't like, such as Rove, or also to people like Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Howard Dean, Jesse Jackson, Michael Moore? Just curious how this new criminal law would work.
So you think it should be a crime to "cheapen and polarize" American politics?
Umm, no. Where in the post did I say that? I think Rove is a malignant presence in American politics, but I certainly don't think that alone is or should be a crime.
Where in the post did I say that?"
Here:
Rove has single-handedly done more to cheapen and polarize American politics than perhaps anyone else in modern times. But alas, that alone is not a crime.
Alas is a term of regret, a wish that the statement that follows were not true. If you regret something is not a crime, you wish it were a crime. Hence, my question.
It seems to me that Wilson caused all this trouble to begin with. If Wilson had not lied about his trip to Nigeria, and we have a congressional hearing that states that he did, he wouldn't have put himself and his wife in any position.
This sounds like typical Republican logic to me: If only Joe Wilson had kept his mouth shut and not contradicted what the Bush administration wanted the public to believe, then his wife wouldn't have been outed, so really it's his fault that her covert identity was disclosed! This is logic on a par with the abusive husband who says that his wife's getting beaten is her own fault for making him angry.
Oh, I certainly HOPE Wilson is stupid enough to take Rove to civil court. Then the pesky FACTS, for example that Plame wasn't an undercover agent under the meaning of the relevant law at the time, will come out in the one venue that liberals tend to worship: A court.
Please, simian worshipper, regale us with your Orwellian "facts"-tell us why the CIA requested a DOJ investigation then? And why did the DOJ investigate?
You'll have to do something Chimperor worshippers are incapable of for this one-you'll have to reason it out. On second thought, maybe you should try discussing this with a high school Government student.
Two things:
1) Is there some sudden right-wing interest in the
Anonymous Liberal (AL) blog? I am all for debate,
but the tone of the right-wing comments here is unappealing. Not because of disagreement per se, but because of the shallow sarcasm. The sarcastic
liberal retorts so provoked are no more appealing.
2) "Caution: Live brain cells at [petty] work" has a commentary about the word 'alas' in AL's column. Take the word 'alas' as a synomym for 'unfortunately' or 'regretably'. If I say, "My money problems would be solved if I could rob a bank. But that, unfortunately, is not an option." I do not mean that I wish, at all levels of my consciousness that robbing a bank was an option. I mean that, in terms of satisfaction of my desire for money, that it is unfortunate that robbing a bank is not an option. To interpret such a sentence as meaning "I think robbing a bank should be legal" is twisting words, not just in a petty manner, but in a manner that violates common usage.
-Andy
Well, I will not comment on the schoolyard-talk above except to say that it does nothing to forward debate, but I will say that even though this liberal Rove-hater wished that Rove would have been indicted, I have the ability to accept this result and move on. We are a nation of laws, and this result follows from adherence to them. It is that tenet that is most important, over and above partisan bickering and 'Rove-hating.'
I am disappointed, for sure, but I am more disappointed in the lack of adjudication on the host of abuses pervading this Administration (e.g., wiretapping, incarceration of US citizens without legal counsel, losing track of Iraq dollars). I therefore hold to our Nation's tenet of the rule of law, and will temper my acute disappointment re Rove in favor of a chronic optimism that these pseudo-Patriots will one day meet that which they have so far successfully sidestepped--the law.
AI Said:
When prosecutors reach deals with prospective defendants, they often include a cooperation clause that basically says that if you are anything less than 100% cooperative and truthful going forward, all bets are off. That means no 5th amendment, no funny business on the stand, etc.
Well, as we now know through Luskin, there is no deal - period. No 5k, no promises, no handshakes and no guarantees.
IMHO, if Rove were anything less than 100% truthful, he should be charged with purjury and/or obstruction (assuming, of course, there is sufficient evidence to support such a charge).
It is the duty of every citizen to respond truthfully and completely while under oath or to the FBI. Since Rove is no longer under threat of indictment, use immunity should be sufficient to defeat any 5th amendment claim.
The sudden interest in this site is the
renewed vigor (viagra or Cialis?) WingNut Nation is experiencing since Bush finally had some respite from the'
daily bitch-slapping he's received over the last 12 months. I know Tom Maguire's polo ponies visit Empty Wheel
and Truthout to cause whatever mischief
they can. There might be one or two
rational beings who habituate and guard
JustOneMinute against any opposing point of view. Some even go undercover for fear of being banned.
Paranoia was not the exclusive domain of RMNixon and fellow criminals. No difference here.
Rove not being indicted has obcured the issue. Libby and Rove both disclosed Plame's identities to reporters ... the difference between them seems to be that Rove went back and admitted as much, while Libby had maintained that he did not, which is what got him indicted with perjury.
Add to this the report Murray Waas did a month ago about how Rove was worried that Wilson's allegation would hurt Bush's reelection chances and so he coordinated a plan to discredit Wilson, and Rove still comes out smelling rotten.
I suspect that Rove is in violation of several federal laws by "concentrating on the elections." I'm quite certain that there are laws in place that limit the participation of those on the federal payroll from using their time at work to support a candidate or party in the election process. If he is going to work as a campaign strategist, he shouldn't be allowed to do so with taxpayer dollars. Am I wrong in this assumption? Do such laws only apply to Civil Service and military personnel?
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