Dear Senator Roberts
I just finished reading your editorial in the USA Today. You know, the one humorously titled "We're doing our job." Yes, as the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, you're doing a bang up job, sir. I particularly liked the part where you did nothing for the last three years.
But perhaps I'm being unfair. I should at least respond to the substance of your op-ed. You write:
You claim that "when executed with the necessary safeguards" and "oversight", "electronic surveillance can be a powerful weapon to detect our enemies." I fully agree. As do all Americans. And that's the problem. Unless you are personally reviewing every instance of warrantless surveillance, Senator, it's really hard to see how you would have the first clue whether the proper safeguards are in place. By definition, warrantless surveillance is conducted without judicial oversight and without independent individualized review. Congress long ago decided that both of those elements were "necessary safeguards." And on that point, Congress has never changed its mind.
But on your watch, Senator, the President of the United States stopped following the law. He simply disregarded the safeguards that Congress had worked so diligently to implement and fine-tune over the years. And you did nothing about it.
So don't tell us that you're doing your job. You're not. You're dissembling and engaging in shameless straw-man arguments in the most widely-read newspaper in the country. You're actively blocking any investigation into an admittedly illegal program. You're enabling an ongoing violation of the very laws you are supposed to be overseeing. I don't doubt that you believe in this program, but in a democracy, laws are not changed by executive fiat. If you think this program should be legal, then make it so, but don't disgrace the institution you work for and the constitution itself by pretending that it doesn't matter what the law says.
But perhaps I'm being unfair. I should at least respond to the substance of your op-ed. You write:
Anyone who has served on a congressional intelligenceWell, perhaps you could start by holding hearings, closed-door ones if necessary. Or how about investigating the obvious politization of intelligence in the leadup to the Iraq invasion, like you promised you were going to? In fact, how about investigating anything? Have you ever heard of a subpoena?
committee has struggled with the issue of secrecy. How do
we assure the public that we are fully informed and
conducting vigorous oversight of our nation's intelligence
activities when we can say little to nothing about what we
know?
It's the job of the Senate Intelligence Committee toCome on, Pat. Who's kidding who? Your "oversight" consisted of you and a few others being passively briefed every once in a while about the general nature of the program. You were not able to consult lawyers or even your own staff about what you heard, and your knowledge of the program is entirely limited to what the administration feels like telling you. You make it seem like you are personally poring over data and reading the transcripts of intercepted calls. Please. There is no individualized attention here whatsoever. You have no idea whose calls are actually intercepted or whether there has been any abuse. You have no idea whether these intercepts are really preceded by a showing of probable cause. All you've ever done is sit in a room and listen to a powerpoint presentation.
oversee the intelligence community, ensuring that it's
protecting Americans against a vicious enemy while
respecting civil liberties. With respect to the National
Security Agency's Terrorist Surveillance Program, the
committee is doing its job. It's very secret, and oversight
must be conducted in a closed environment.
Oversight of classified information requires a balanceWhat!?! The executive branch doesn't "own" any information. It merely possesses it. And Congressional intelligence committees are entitled by law to that information.
between the executive and legislative branches. The
executive owns the information and has the responsibility
to protect it. The legislative branch wants the information
for oversight. Like many disagreements between the
branches of government, compromise is required.
At my insistence, we have expanded oversight from twoAt your insistence? Pat, you and I both know that you would have been perfectly fine with the status quo. If the "Terrorist Surveillance Program" had never been publicly reported and the ensuing outcry had not occurred, there is no way you would have "insisted" that the full committee be briefed. And again, allowing the whole committee to attend the standard powerpoint presentation is not oversight, it's just what the law required all along.
members of the committee to all 15 members.
Any president, not just President Bush, is the commanderOh please. Do you really take us for such rubes? Of course we would be less safe without surveillance. That's why no one has ever suggested that we stop conducting surveillance on suspected terrorists. And you know damn well that what President Bush is doing has NOT been done by anyone, let alone "presidents since FDR." As the chairman of the Intelligence Committee you know that there is a law on the books, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which expressly criminalizes the very surveillance that the president has authorized the NSA to do. While all presidents have authorized surveillance activity, only Bush has authorized a kind of activity that is expressly and unambiguously forbidden by statute.
in chief and is responsible for protecting Americans from
enemy attack. Presidents since Franklin D. Roosevelt have
used their inherent legal authority to conduct electronic
surveillance to protect the nation. When executed with the
necessary safeguards, oversight and secrecy, electronic
surveillance can be a powerful weapon to detect our enemies.
Without it, Americans would be less safe.
You claim that "when executed with the necessary safeguards" and "oversight", "electronic surveillance can be a powerful weapon to detect our enemies." I fully agree. As do all Americans. And that's the problem. Unless you are personally reviewing every instance of warrantless surveillance, Senator, it's really hard to see how you would have the first clue whether the proper safeguards are in place. By definition, warrantless surveillance is conducted without judicial oversight and without independent individualized review. Congress long ago decided that both of those elements were "necessary safeguards." And on that point, Congress has never changed its mind.
But on your watch, Senator, the President of the United States stopped following the law. He simply disregarded the safeguards that Congress had worked so diligently to implement and fine-tune over the years. And you did nothing about it.
So don't tell us that you're doing your job. You're not. You're dissembling and engaging in shameless straw-man arguments in the most widely-read newspaper in the country. You're actively blocking any investigation into an admittedly illegal program. You're enabling an ongoing violation of the very laws you are supposed to be overseeing. I don't doubt that you believe in this program, but in a democracy, laws are not changed by executive fiat. If you think this program should be legal, then make it so, but don't disgrace the institution you work for and the constitution itself by pretending that it doesn't matter what the law says.



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Amen Brother!
I stumbled onto your website from Pajamas Media.
I simply cannot understand why so many people just do not understand that the NSA law DOES NOT APPLY TO THE PRESIDENT'S CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO SPY ON THE ENEMY DURING WARTIME!! Why not? Because the NSA law puts a judge (judicial branch) in a superior position to the Commander-in-chief.
If the President abuses this authority to say, procure infomation on his political enemies as did his predecessor, than he should be impeached and removed from office.
If you or anyone has proof of that, bring it forward!
Lastly, please, please, bring forth Supreme Court decisions which dilute the President's authority to act as Commander-in-Chief. (don't bring forth Truman's seizure of the steel mills!)
When you do, I will take your argument seriously.
John Sorg
Indianapolis
Peeve alert!
You make it seem like you are personally pouring over data and reading the transcripts of intercepted calls.
Pour is transitive. What was Sen. Roberts hypothetically pouring over the data? Water? Milk? Beer? Ethanol?
Try pore instead.
Good entry regardless of my nittishness. I surfed over here from Greenwald.
philip,
don't worry, I appreciate the nittishness. With no editor, I need more of it. I've changed it to "poring".
Thanks for taking it as it was intended, to strengthen an already excellent blog entry. I look forward to reading your thoughts more often.
John Sorg:
Because I've already addressed the inherent authority argument in depth and repeatedly in previous posts, I'd encourage you to go read them.
The short version, however, is that your interpretation of the CiC authority has no support in the constitution or the case law. Most of the presidents inherent powers are default powers that can be regulated by Congress should it choose to do so. Only a small set of those inherent powers (the exclusive powers) cannot be regulated by Congress, and there is no logical or case law that suggests that the president has the inherent power to set the rules for domestic surveillance. In fact, Congress expressly has the power to make such rules under the constitution, article I.
This is not about one branch being "superior to another." The executive branch gets to decide who to surveil and when. But Congress, should it choose to, clearly has the power to set rules and require judicial oversight of that surveillance, particularly as it applies to U.S. citizens in the U.S. Up until a few months ago, no one seriously questioned that. But no that Bush has been caught violating an express statutory prohibition that has been on the books and followed for 25 years, he is now claiming the inherent authority to disregard the law, a theory that has no basis in the case law. It's not just the Steel Seizure case, but an unbroken line of cases thereafter.
Again, I encourage to read up on this stuff. And by the way, the law you're talking about is not the "NSA law." It's FISA. FISA applies to all agencies, not just the NSA.
Another point, which I seem to recal you have made in the past, is that the President is the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, not the citizenry of the nation.
Also, Michelle Malkin has posted on her website the list of briefings (dates and names) to show that Congress was fully informed as to what was going on. By my count of these 30 briefings in the past 55 months, one-half of them have taken place in the last five months. In other words, half the briefings have been since the organic material hit the electrcal appliance last December.
Keep up the good work.
He's a spineless vassal of the President. The people of Kansas should be embrassed and disgusted by this pathetic excuse for a Senator.
In the hearing yesterday, he again reiterated that "you don't have civil liberties if you're dead." I can't imagine a more cowardly, sniveling, unAmerican sentiment being put forth to justify Presidential law breaking.
John Sorg:
If the President abuses this authority to say, procure infomation on his political enemies as did his predecessor, than he should be impeached and removed from office.
If you or anyone has proof of that, bring it forward!
Funny you should mention that. Consider this: the entire program is classified. There is no judicial oversight, only Congressional oversight, where all the committees are controlled by the President's party. The briefed members of Congress themselves are sworn to secrecy, and cannot divulge any details of the program. Let's say that our worst fears were confirmed, and the President is in fact using this program to spy on his political enemies. How would this information come to light? It's classified. And anybody who is in a position to "bring it forward" would be subject to prosecution by releasing classified information. This new form of so-called "checks and balances" requires someone within the administration to put his/her liberty and very life of the line (treason is an executable offence) to protest it.
Is this really how we want our government to run? The executive branch implements secret programs, and we have no means or method to verify that they are in fact doing what they say they are doing. Tell me that wouldn't worry you if Hillary Clinton or Ted Kennedy were in the White House.
AL, just came from TPM where Paul's got links up about "NeuStar" the middle man company used by BellSouth, Verizon & AT&T. Guess you were a couple of days ahead on that premise. Congrats! (I notice anger at Spectre & Roberts seems to grease the wheels of your intellect)
Under Patrick Roberts, the Senate Intelligence Committee is performing the function of OVERLOOK, not OVERSIGHT. His actions, and those of the Senate Judiciary Committee under Arlen Specter, constitute nothing short of obstruction of justice. How can BushCo™ apologists like John Sorg advance the argument ex nihilo that the administration is doing no wrong while admitting that they and no-one else have no idea what the administration is doing?
There are alot of middle men in communications. Alot of them used to work for the company they provide the services to.
Big companies like Verizon ALLOWED the competition to grow. Digital cell phones was something Verizon passed on until the competition was there. They could have monopolized that industry and decided to allow some of their employees to go to the new carriers and move on in the industry.
It's not strange to find middle men, it's something that they allow to provide jobs. In the long run, they win.
Roberts just might be the biggest coward in America and that is saying something. The shit we have let him get away with is astonishing.
I know it wouldn't be a fair fight but I would really like to see Russ Feingold whip both Roberts and Specter's ass. Seriously.
Alonzo Fyfe, of the Atheist Ethicist, had an really good idea about what should be done in regards to Roberts.
Some political points are best illustrated in a straight forward deductive argument. Some are best illustrated in a story.
Yet, there are times when I read a story and the argument that comes into my mind is a picture – a political cartoon.
As shown on Crooks and Liars, Senator Pat Roberts (R - Kansas), the Republican head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, was discussing Bush’s illegal wiretaps on “Late Edition” today. In the interview, he said, “You don't have civil liberties if you're dead."
So, what immediately came to my mind is this:
A picture (political cartoon) set in the American Revolutionary war. The British are lining up on one side with guns and cannons, while George Washington on his horse is lining up the American soldiers. Then, in the cartoon, one American soldier throws down his gun and bolts for the rear, crying, “You don’t have civil rights if you’re dead.”
I think the Kansas Project should be resurrected, but this time its focus should be on communicating the to people of Kansas how the sentiment that "you don't have civil liberties if you're dead" is dangerous to liberty.
So, with some pretty tight logic explaining that no "proof" of abuses can be forthcoming without somebody being nailed with treason, and a pretty straightforward explanation of Article I providing Congress the ability to regulate the C in C in his capacity to surveille, does anyone think Mr. Sorg from Indianapolis is now taking the "argument seriously"?
"You don't have civil liberties when you're dead" is a bald-faced terrorizing statement. I think it's pretty clear who the enemy really is.
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