Can we have some new hawkish pundits please?
I'll be the first to admit that Iran does indeed present a troubling problem, albeit perhaps not as time-sensitive a problem as many are now claiming. A nuclear Iran is in nobody's best interest (except perhaps some Iranians). And we do need to have a national discussion about how best to approach the problem, a discussion that does not rule out any realistic military options.
That said, could we at least hear from a new crop of hawkish pundits? I'm sorry, but I really don't care what the likes of Kristol, Steyn, Krauthammer, and Hanson have to say anymore. These guys have been so spectacularly wrong over the last four years with respect to just about everything that I just don't see why their opinions should carry any weight at this point. Their advice has been terrible; their predictions staggeringly off the mark.
And it's not just that they were wrong. Many people were wrong. It's that this particular group of hawks has never come to grips with their own embarrassing complicity in the Iraq debacle, and as a result, their current analysis of the Iranian situation is hopelessly incomplete. In their latest pieces, none of these guys can bring themselves to acknowledge the obvious: that the primary beneficiary of our adventure in Iraq has been the Iranian regime.
For those of us whose reputations do not hinge on the ultimate wisdom of the decision to invade Iraq, a few observations seem rather self-evident.
1) We have replaced Iran's chief military and strategic rival (Saddam's Iraq) with a much weaker and much more Iran-friendly Shia-led government. Whatever your opinion about the Iraq war, this is incontrovertibly true.
2) The invasion and occupation of Iraq has bogged down our armed forces, greatly limiting our ability to mount or even credibly threaten to mount any serious military action against Iran.
3) The failure to find any WMD in Iraq, along with the now well-documented pre-war hyping and distortion of intelligence, has shattered our national credibility. We are the country that cried wolf. If we attack Iran, we will be doing so without even our previous "coalition of the willing" to support us. Iran knows this.
4) Our inability to impose order in Iraq and defeat a group of ragtag insurgents and jihadists has made us look weak and non-threatening to other regimes. We have demonstrated for the world that even a superpower has significant limitations.
5) Our differing approaches to Iraq and North Korea have convinced the Iranian regime that the best way to insure security is to develop a nuclear weapon.
6) The anti-American sentiment stirred up by our invasion of Iraq has, at least arguably, increased the internal political support for Iran's hard-liners and made things more difficult for Iranian moderates.
The unwillingness of our hawkish pundits to acknowledge any of these facts renders them unable to provide any useful analysis of our current options for dealing with Iran. Instead they are content to talk tough and ridicule those who suggest that direct diplomacy may be the only realistic option available to us at the moment. They are big on hawkish rhetoric but always seem to stop short of putting forth any actual plan, or even a sketch of one. Do they favor a full scale invasion of Iran? Airstrikes? Nuclear attack? It's never clear.
That is until now. In an article published Monday, Mark Steyn--to his credit--actually makes his position known:
Once again, we face a choice between bad andOkay, so his plan is totally crazy, but at least he put it on the table. We now know where his hawkish logic actually leads, and can be appropriately horrified.
worse options. There can be no "surgical" strike
in any meaningful sense: Iran's clients on the
ground will retaliate in Iraq, Lebanon, Israel,
and Europe. Nor should we put much stock in
the country's allegedly "pro-American" youth.
This shouldn't be a touchy-feely nation-building
exercise: rehabilitation may be a bonus, but the
primary objective should be punishment--and
incarceration. It's up to the Iranian people how
nutty a government they want to live with, but
extraterritorial nuttiness has to be shown not to
pay. That means swift, massive, devastating force
that decapitates the regime--but no occupation.
Let's assume for the sake of argument that we can somehow muster a sufficient number of troops and military resources to go into Iran with "swift, massive, devastating force" (presumably by dropping everything that we are currently doing in Iraq). Steyn thinks we should swoop into Iran--unilaterally and unprovoked--defeat its military, decapitate the ruling regime (presumably including its religious leaders), and destroy its nuclear infrastructure. *If* all this goes according to plan, we should then leave the Iranians, frightened and angry, to fend for themselves in a state of destruction and anarchy.
Such a plan *if successful* might indeed be a significant setback to Iran's nuclear ambitions. But let's consider the obvious costs.
1) Such an attack would undoubtedly provoke significant Iranian retaliation against U.S. interests in Iraq and around the Middle East, including possible terrorist attacks at home.
2) Decapitation of the Iranian regime and destruction of its military would likely result, at least temporarily, in another failed state in the heart of the Middle East, one that would function as a safe-haven and launching pad for terrorists.
3) Whatever new regime eventually rises to fill the power vacuum would likely be even more hostile to U.S. interests, more determined to secure nuclear weapons, and will enjoy greater support from the newly radicalized Iranian population.
4) The price of oil would sky rocket, likely leading to a worldwide energy crisis.
5) The U.S. would likely lose any remaining support it has from our traditional allies. Worldwide anti-American sentiment would reach never-before-seen levels, particularly in Europe and the Middle East. The attack would prove to be a recruiting bonanza for Al Qaeda and other militant groups.
And these are just the obvious results. If history tells us anything its that the unforeseen consequences of actions are often more problematic than the obvious ones. The world is a complex, chaotic system, not a deterministic one. Actions on the scale of those proposed by Steyn inevitably result in wildly unpredictable outcomes, which is all the more reason why they should not be embarked upon hastily or with insufficient necessity and forethought.
Now that Steyn has laid his lunacy out on the table for all to see, I'm curious whether his neoconservative colleagues will endorse his plan or distance themselves from it. Probably neither. They'll probably just continue to beat the war drum, without offering any specific plans or giving any real thought to the realities of the world they helped create.
So I ask again: can we please have some new hawkish pundits? Preferably ones with less intellectual baggage. I'm genuinely interested in a realistic discussion of our options for dealing with the Iranian problem, but so long as the hawkish side of the debate is represented by these clowns, that's just not going to happen.



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You would think the lying liars that run the MSM "echo chamber" would want to have a new set of pundits to "catapult" chimpy's propaganda...
After all, this old bunch has no more integrity than the chimperor and his gang...
I know, we will see huge media blitzes and glitchy PR campaigns to tell us what a "great bunch of guys and gals" they are.
Tweety will probably even use some "teaser" headlines that imply he will take a balanced look at some of these issues.
Then it will back to business as usual, the same gang of conservative guests, a token patsy to pretend to be liberal, and a bunch of lame questions designed to catapult the smirking chimp's propaganda.
I have seen this "bad movie" too many times...
Is it possible to be paying attention and still be hawkish about Iran?
If there is a military solution which doesn't cost more in radicalized Islamicists and Sino-Iranian institutional antagonism than it garners in nuclear non-proliferation, I sure haven't imagined it yet.
Can somebody please explain the surgical strikes at either the regime or the nuclear infrastructure that doesn't leave a festering wasteland of either political rancor or environmental catastrophe to galvanize the Iranian population against American Imperialism.
I see only the quagmire of Hanoi, can anybody honestly see the liberation of Paris? Or is it all just another shell-game to conceal more mundane matters like putting as many American planes on top of as much of the world's remaining fossil hydrocarbons as politically possible before the energy war endgame is publically acknowleged.
First you have to convince me that Iran is that much of a military problem and then you have to convince me that a nuclear Iran is anymore of a problem than India, Pakistan, North Korea, China, the disintigrated USSR and the US under the current leadership.
We lived through the cold war and duck and cover with the notion of MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction. We could still take out the whole of Iran in a couple of hours if they so much as set off a molotov cocktail in Podunk, Kansas. What has changed?
If we could face down the Soviet Union, a true nuclear and strong military threat why is a poor and weak Iran now such a grave menace? It does not make sense.
The real problem is that we can't nuke Iran because if we did then we wouldn't be able to get to the oil.
Why is Iran such a big threat to the United States? I don't want to hear any WMD nonsense.
My theory -
Fitz has enough evidence to hang each and every executive in the White House, and the White House has not pardoned Libby yet because they want to let things play out in court with Libby while they carry out their fanatical religious agenda by "playing 'war' in the sandbox" with Iran.
After the W.H. attacks Iran and starts the Armageddon, Bush will pardon Libby and then Fitz will turn his evidence over to Congress for impeachment.
Just a theory.
Good analysis except for the fact that they are already a safe-haven and launching pad for terrorists. Unless of course you don't count Hizballah as terrorists, not to mention their support for Hamas
I'd like to know why the blog author thinks Iran is even a small problem?
Iran is enriching uranium at 3.5 percent, not even close enough to produce a bomb. And to produce a bomb at 164 centrifuges, it would take Iran 13 years to produce a bomb.
So what the problem, sir?
I'd like to know why the blog author thinks Iran is even a small problem?
Iran may only be enriching uranium at 3.5 percent right now, but their technology is likely to improve over time. The fact is that these things are very hard to predict. India and Pakistan both developed nuclear weapons much faster than anyone anticipated. And when we invaded Iraq the first time, during the Gulf War, we found Saddam's nuclear program to be much farther along that we thought. The point is, we don't really know exactly how long it will take Iran to develop a bomb, but if nothing is done, it eventually will.
And that's highly problematic. Iran is currently run by a bunch of total lunatics. Nukes in the hands of nuts is a terrifying prospect.
I'm not convinced that we have very many realistic options at our disposal for stopping Iran from getting the bomb, but it's still a serious problem, and we need to think long and hard about how best to deal with it.
How stable and rational was Stalin? Is Kim Jong-il actually a sane political player and the media depiction of him just spin?
Is religious fanaticism the equivalent of lunacy? If that is the case then we would get the best results to this "problem" by the removing the religious armageddon lunatics from the White House and take steps to reintroduce the limits of religion in affairs of state here.
Why would the use of the religion card in Iran be any different as a rhetoric tool to gain power than how it has been used by the Bush political machine?
The may appear as lunatics to you by the depiction of their rhetoric in the western media but that doesn't change the reality that they know we can inflict massive destruction on Iran.
We need to take care of our own nuts first.
Exactly. We have most of the 31,600 nuclear bombs in the world and are under the realm of nuts. So if we applied your logic to America, someone else could attack us.
Juan Cole is a good reference on this matter, and I suggest that you read what he has to say on the matter.
The fact is Iran is still compliant according to the NNPC and is nowhere close to producing anything resembling a nuclear bomb.
Iran is more an economic threat than a military one. They opened up their oil bourse to the EU on 3-20-06 meaning that Europe can buy oil with Euros, not dollars, weakening the US dollar and our economy. This is the undergirding.
Juan Cole is a complete moron who rejoices with David Duke over the Mearsheimier/Walt piece of poor academics and fig leaf for 'gentlemen's agreement'
I can't speak to Steyn, and certainly not Kristol, but don't current "LIBERALS" question why Kennedy Democrats like Hanson and Krauthammer say what they say?
Any real discussion on Iran starts here with Iranian leaders in their own words back to 1998
Cole has a PhD which obviously you don't. He also teaches Middle East studies at U of M which obviously you don't as well.
If you start off like that and then don't cite sources, you'll just assure yourself of being ignored.
I didn't know that troglodytes are welcome on a site that endorses "empiricism."
Just to clarify where I currently stand on the Iran debate.
I think the specter of a nuclear Iran is troubling. That said, I think the immediacy and near-term seriousness of that threat is being hyped and exaggerated by the administration and by those eager to change the subject and reassert their reflexive hawkishness.
I'm skeptical that there is any military solution to this issue that wouldn't make the situation a whole lot worse. That said, I'd like to hear from some sober-minded hawks regarding specific military strategies they think might succeed (i.e., set back Iran's nuclear capabilities without leading to disastrous collateral consequences). Because no one is currently offering any realistic strategies, I suspect that none exist.
Moreover, I think the current aggressive rhetoric has a lot more to do with the November elections than the actual situation in Iran, and I think that makes now a particularly bad time to have this debate.
Then I might suggest that you write a post that says Iran is too serious of an issue to be used as a campaign strategy and that there is enough time to have a rational debate after the mid term elections.
Agreed. I think it would be a stronger argument to say that the issue of Iranian nuclear aspirations is too serious an issue to be used as a campaign strategy.
The idea of additional hawkish pundits is not appealing. I'd like to hear from some more moderates who are clearly knowledgable about diplomacy, bringing in the Chinese and Russians, and coming to an agreement about diplomatic options with numerous strong allies.
The idea of additional hawkish pundits is not appealing. I'd like to hear from some more moderates who are clearly knowledgable about diplomacy
My plea for fresh hawkish pundits was mostly intended as sarcasm. That said, these guys do tend to set the boundaries of debate. Part of the problem is that lunatics like Steyn say such crazy stuff that anything slightly less crazy is characterized by the media as "moderate." This skews the entire debate. So, in that sense, it would be nice to have a new crop of hawkish pundits whose opinions are less compromised by what they've previously said about Iraq. These hypothetical hawkish pundits would help frame the debate in a more sensible way.
But, as Rumsfeld would say, you enter the debate with the pundits you have, not the pundits you'd like to have under ideal circumstances.
Sigh.
Juan Cole ...Mearsheimer-Walt-Duke-..
Check out Informed Consent, he calls the paper they wrote a "brave attempt", and Duke...http://www.nysun.com/article/29380
Cole has a problem.
Sorry but there it is..nice to see that troglodyte in your narrow world means people who donated thousands to the Bill Bradley campaign. But that shouldn;t matter either. Maybe your definitions need an objectivity fix.
And you know I have no Phd, how?
You can put me on ignore now...
ANONYMOUS
AL,
There's a lot of fairly sober-minded hawkishness available at windsofchange.net. The crowd there leans towards invading sooner rather than later, but they are mostly willing to consider other approaches.
As for myself, I have utterly no idea what should be done.
You been on ignore. Your use of the fallacious strategy of poisoning the well is case in point.
Duke is blatantly anti-Semetic. Cole is just against Zionism. Apparently you don't know the difference between being critical of Zionism and hating people because of their religious and ethnic background.
Excellent analysis.
Wish we had more voices like yours in the MSM.
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