Monday, October 24, 2005

Rove and Novak

The conventional wisdom at the moment is that if Karl Rove is indicted, the charges will be related to discrepancies between his testimony and that of TIME magazine's Matthew Cooper. There is something else to consider, however. The New York Times reports today something that Murray Waas reported way back in July--that Robert Novak has cooperated with Fitzgerald's investigation. From the Times:

A critical early success for Fitzgerald was
winning the cooperation of Robert D. Novak,
the Chicago Sun-Times columnist who named
Plame in a July 2003 story and attributed
key information to "two senior administration
officials." Legal sources said Novak avoided a
fight and quietly helped the special counsel's
inquiry, although neither the columnist nor
his attorney have said so publicly.
What strikes me as potentially noteworthy about this paragraph is not the fact that Novak has cooperated, but the fact that Novak's cooperation was "a critical early success for Fitzgerald." Remember, Fitzgerald didn't take over the investigation until January 2004. That raises the following seemingly important question: was Novak interviewed by Fitzgerald's predecessors? If so, did he give a different account then than the one he eventually gave to Fitzgerald? In other words, did Novak first provide a cover story and then, under pressure from Fitzgerald, provide an alternate account?

So far, leaks regarding Novak's testimony have closely tracked the story he provided in his column on October 1, 2003. In that column, Novak wrote:

During a long conversation with a senior
administration official, I asked why Wilson
was assigned the mission to Niger. He said
Wilson had been sent by the CIA's
counterproliferation section at the suggestion
of one of its employees, his wife. It was an
offhand revelation from this official, who is no
partisan gunslinger. When I called another
official for confirmation, he said: "Oh, you
know about it." The published report that
somebody in the White House failed to plant
this story with six reporters and finally found
me as a willing pawn is simply untrue.
Novak also added:

How big a secret was it? It was well known
around Washington that Wilson's wife worked
for the CIA. Republican activist Clifford May
wrote Monday, in National Review Online,
that he had been told of her identity by a
non-government source before my column
appeared and that it was common knowledge.
Her name, Valerie Plame, was no secret either,
appearing in Wilson's "Who's Who in America"
entry.
This story always looked suspiciously like a set of White House talking points to me. Especially in light of what Novak told Tim Phelps and Knut Royce in this July 21, 2003 Newsday article.

Novak, in an interview, said his sources had
come to him with the information. "I didn't
dig it out, it was given to me," he said. "They
thought it was significant, they gave me the
name and I used it."
Now consider this from Murray Waas:

Also of interest to investigators have been
a series of telephone contacts between Novak
and Rove, and other White House officials, in
the days just after press reports first disclosed
the existence of a federal criminal investigation
as to who leaked Plame's identity. Investigators
have been concerned that Novak and his
sources might have conceived or co-ordinated
a cover story to disguise the nature of their
conversations.
Given the sudden change in Novak's story and the suspicious similarity between Novak's account and that of Cliff May (a similarly partisan hack), it's not surprising that prosecutors were concerned that Novak and the White House may have concocted a cover story.

Given what happend to Judith Miller, we should at least consider the possibility that Fitzgerald managed to poke holes in Novak's original story and eventually got Novak to change his tune. If so, that would be very bad for Rove (and possibly others). It might also explain the near total silence from Novak regarding his role in the investigation.

It's also worth noting that the version of events Novak provides in his Oct. 1 column, if true, should have made it abundantly clear to Rove that he was Novak's confirming source. According to Murray Waas, Rove did not initially admit to investigators or the President that he was one of Novak's sources. Waas wrote:

Then there is the matter of the source-reporter
relationship between Rove and Novak. Rove, in
giving his assurances to the president in the fall
of 2003, did not say he had served as a
corroborating source for Novak's column about
Plame. Sources close to Rove say he simply did
not know at the time that Novak had used him
to corroborate the Plame information published
in the July 14 column. Rove did not discover
that until after his initial interview with the
FBI, sources say.

After October 1, 2003, Rove would have had no excuse for not knowing that he was Novak's confirming source. After all, Novak basically lays out his entire conversation with Rove in his Oct. 1 column. So if Rove's FBI interview took place after Oct. 1, that doesn't bode well for him either. Long story short, if Fitzgerald is considering perjury, false statement, or obstruction charges against Rove, he may have grounds other than Rove's failure to mention his conversation with Matt Cooper.

On an unrelated note, Raw Story is now reporting that Cheney aide David Wurmser provided Valerie Plame's name to Scooter Libby and Stephen Hadley in June 2003. The story claims that within a week of providing this information, Wurmser was ordered by "executives in the office of the vice president" to leak Plame's identity to reporters. Needless to say, if any of this is true, it's terrible news for Libby.
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8 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Best I can find on the timing of Rove's first interview is from Waas.

President Bush's chief political adviser, Karl Rove, told the FBI in an interview last October

Pollyusa

4:30 PM  
Blogger A.L. said...

Thanks, Polly. That's useful. Novak's follow-up column was published Oct. 1. It was probably available online even before then. It's hard to believe that given all the hysteria, Rove failed to read that column. And having read it, he had to have at least strongly suspected that he was one of Novak's sources for the orignal column. If he then denied being one of Novak's sources in his FBI interview later in the month, that's another strike against him.

4:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're right on the May/Novak similarity. They even used the same words in describing how they heard about Plame.

Novak
"an offhand revelation"

May
"mentioned it in an offhanded manner"

There is a little known Waas article that indicates the original investigators were asking WH officials about their contacts with the RNC and Conservative activists.

I think it likely that the questions from the FBI shut down the pushback.

That belief among the senior law enforcement officials has only intensified in recent days since as many as a half-dozen White House officials have been asked by federal investigators about contacts they had with the Republican National Committee and conservative political activists.

Pollyusa

6:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another parallel detail - the recent leak about how Rove learned about Plame said that he first heard about her at a social event in the spring of 2003 (but he had no who/where/when, natch). Maybe Cliff May was at the same party.

Per the same leak, the first time Rove heard in the White House was Libby relaying his chat with Russert.

As to the idea that Rove mush have read Novak's column and drawn the correct conclusion - the criminal referral was the 29th of Sept, and Rove was busy misplacing the Cooper email - he may not have been reading every little thing.

Hmm, don't let the example of Maureen Dowd prompt you to give a shortened, misleading excerpt!

Here we go, on the theme that Rove misled the FBI in his first interview:

Sources close to Rove say he simply did not know at the time that Novak had used him to corroborate the Plame information published in the July 14 column. Rove did not discover that until after his initial interview with the FBI, sources say.

Indeed, Rove's story to investigators was that when he said to Novak in July 2003, "I heard that, too," he was essentially telling Novak that he had heard the same information through the grapevine.


Adding the second paragraph, it sure reads to me as if Rove disclosed his chat with Novak to the FBI in their first meeting, but did not realize that Novak took it as confirmation.

So if Rove *did* disclose to the FBI that he talked to Novak, but opined that, as best he knew, he was not Novak's source, that does not sound like a crime.

Tom Maguire

9:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it likely that the questions from the FBI shut down the pushback.

Well. If a righty journalist says they heard cocktail party gossip about Wilson's wife being at the CIA, they are a partisan hack.

If a lefty journalist says it, they are a class traitor.

And anyone who says it gets a subpoena, which means most people are smart enough to pipe down. Does that help or hinder the public's understanding?

Put another way, if her job at the CIA was Washington gossip, just how would Fitzgerald find out - start subpoenaing Washington hostesses at random?

Tom Maguire

9:12 PM  
Blogger A.L. said...

Just to clarify, my reference to Cliff May as a 'partisan hack' was not based on this particular story. I have know way of knowing whether he was telling the truth. But this is the same Cliff May who championed the 'David Corn really outed Plame' theory, and the 'she was already outed because her name was on Who's Who' theory. The man has written some stuff about this case that only a "hack" would sign his name to.

8:25 AM  
Blogger A.L. said...

Tom,
I see you're point about Novak. When I first read that, I assumed that Rove told his story about Novak in a subsequent session with investigators, but you're right, that temporal element is not at all clear. He may well have told this story from the beginning. I do think, though, that it should have been clear to Rove after Novak's Oct. 1 column that he was Novak's confirming source.

8:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FWIW, I am not arguing that May is not a partisan hack - his piece about Corn outing Wilson was, uhh, well, how about them 'Stros?

Tom

2:43 PM  

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