The President's Story: Take Two
A new article in the New York Daily News lays out an entirely different version of what the President knew about the Plame leak and when he knew it.
Anyway, it's clear that the "Rove misled the President" talking point is no longer operative. That may have just been a trial balloon. The new story is that Rove came clean and was privately admonished by the President in 2003. This new story raises some interesting questions, though.
First, as Rep. John Conyers points out at the Huffington Post, this new story doesn't explain why President Bush said in June 2004 that he would fire anyone found to be involved in the leak. And if Rove came clean in 2003, was that before or after Scott McClellan told the press that he was "not involved" in the leak?
More importantly, if this story is true, particularly the part about this disclosure taking place in 2003, there is a potentially far more serious problem. Let's go back to Murray Waas' Oct. 7 article in the National Journal, which was one of three articles that leaked the "Rove misled Bush" story. Waas wrote:
Moreover, it has previously been reported that Rove failed to mention his conversation with Cooper in either his initial FBI interview or his first grand jury appearance. Only after finding his email to Hadley did Rove come forward and correct his prior testimony. Now, the conventional wisdom is that this email was discovered in 2004, after Fitzgerald took over the case and issued subpoenas. If that's true, then the fact that Rove "came clean" to the President back in 2003 (presumably before the email was discovered) does not look good for Rove. It could mean that Rove made no effort to correct testimony he knew to be misleading until the discovery of the Hadley email forced his hand.
Given all these questions and potential inconsistencies, I expect we'll see a third, clarifying version of Bush's story emerge in coming days.
An angry President Bush rebuked chiefThe article goes on to say:
political guru Karl Rove two years ago for
his role in the Valerie Plame affair, sources
told the Daily News.
"He made his displeasure known to Karl," a
presidential counselor told The News. "He
made his life miserable about this."
Other sources confirmed . . . that Bush wasAnd finally:
initially furious with Rove in 2003 when his
deputy chief of staff conceded he had talked
to the press about the Plame leak.
A second well-placed source said some recently(sidenote: do you think that, many years from now, people will mistakenly think that the term "bush-league" is actually a reference to the world-class incompetence of this particular administration?)
published reports implying Rove had deceived
Bush about his involvement in the Wilson
counterattack were incorrect and were leaked
by White House aides trying to protect the
President.
"Bush did not feel misled so much by Karl and
others as believing that they handled it in a
ham-handed and bush-league way," the
source said.
Anyway, it's clear that the "Rove misled the President" talking point is no longer operative. That may have just been a trial balloon. The new story is that Rove came clean and was privately admonished by the President in 2003. This new story raises some interesting questions, though.
First, as Rep. John Conyers points out at the Huffington Post, this new story doesn't explain why President Bush said in June 2004 that he would fire anyone found to be involved in the leak. And if Rove came clean in 2003, was that before or after Scott McClellan told the press that he was "not involved" in the leak?
More importantly, if this story is true, particularly the part about this disclosure taking place in 2003, there is a potentially far more serious problem. Let's go back to Murray Waas' Oct. 7 article in the National Journal, which was one of three articles that leaked the "Rove misled Bush" story. Waas wrote:
White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl RoveSo if this new story is true--Rove "came clean" to Bush in 2003--and Waas is also right, doesn't that mean that Bush lied to Fitzgerald in June 2004?
personally assured President Bush in the early
fall of 2003 that he had not disclosed to anyone
in the press that Valerie Plame, the wife of an
administration critic, was a CIA employee,
according to legal sources with firsthand
knowledge of the accounts that both Rove and
Bush independently provided to federal
prosecutors . . .
In his own interview with prosecutors on
June 24, 2004, Bush testified that Rove
assured him he had not disclosed Plame as a
CIA employee and had said nothing to the
press to discredit Wilson, according to sources
familiar with the president's interview. Bush
said that Rove never mentioned the
conversation with Cooper.
Moreover, it has previously been reported that Rove failed to mention his conversation with Cooper in either his initial FBI interview or his first grand jury appearance. Only after finding his email to Hadley did Rove come forward and correct his prior testimony. Now, the conventional wisdom is that this email was discovered in 2004, after Fitzgerald took over the case and issued subpoenas. If that's true, then the fact that Rove "came clean" to the President back in 2003 (presumably before the email was discovered) does not look good for Rove. It could mean that Rove made no effort to correct testimony he knew to be misleading until the discovery of the Hadley email forced his hand.
Given all these questions and potential inconsistencies, I expect we'll see a third, clarifying version of Bush's story emerge in coming days.



25 Comments:
The "Presidental counselor" source in the New York Daily story today is, beyond a doubt, George H. W. Bush, the President's father and former President of the United States... Now, that's a source!
Yesterday, Rawstory reported Hannah as a "cooperating witness."
Today, they're reporting Wurmser has turned as well.
That's two people in Cheney's office whose testimony was considered valuable enough to lower charges against them. Not good for "Big Time" cause I think they have enough of a case on Libby without the witnesses.
(Rawstory link on my blog - too lazy to look it up - Today's Plame news - Update 4)
http://bornatthecrestoftheempire.blogspot.com/
Speculation on blogs is that a "War of Leaks" is going on in WH between Bush camp and Cheney camp.
Good show mate! Nice blog, I'm diggin' the black background. OK, Ashcroft should be jailed for running a SHAM-INVESTIGATION until he was forced to turn it over to Fitz!
All I know is that I'm nearly comatose with laughter over the vision of Delay posing for a mug shot...Sweet Jesus, it's better than sex.
While Bush may have said that "Rove had assured him he had not disclosed Plame as a
CIA employee and had said nothing to the press to discredit Wilson," this does not preclude Rove coming back and fessing up once Bush found out about it through someone else in the White House.
Thus, Rove expressed the exact sentiment quoted by Bush and also fessed up a few days, weeks, months later when the truth came out.
See how easy that was, it just depends on the timeline.
Seriously, if Bush yelled at Rove, don't you think Karl would have fired him?
No kidding! This is better than Bill Maher shows! I can hardly catch my breath for the giggles!
Love the comment, Joe.
Let's get real, folks.
Bush was on that plane trip to Africa with Colin Powell when Colin brought that memo he had requested prepared to update him on Wilson's trip to Niger - the document where Plame is mentioned and her name was marked with the (S) for secret. Ari Fleischer was supposedly seen on that plane trip with a copy of that memo in hand, although he has denied it.
Do you REALLY think that Bush did not know about the plan to out Plame from the beginning? Seriously, can you see everyone on that plane discussing Plame, and saying to each other "HUSH - don't let Dubya know, don't let him in on this?"
Hello... I don't think so. He probably was in on discussions or at the very least had the memo read to him... don't cha think?
Besides, didn't it serve this Administration well TO OUT this Brewster, Jennings group? It could be that members of the Administration would have ended up implicated by the uncoverings of Plame's group. I think it killed two birds with one stone - literally. Oh gee, sorry, by accident we've outted a CIA agent, when in fact it was ideal to disband them!
I think this latest revelation demands that the following question be asked repeatedly-- WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT KNOW AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT?
10/21-on the Today Show this a.m., "brilliant Bill O'Reilly" assured everyone that no one outside the beltway had any interest whatsoever in the Fitzgerald investigation! ..sounds like a case of wishful thinking to me!
It is plausible that the president did not know what was going on during the plane trip as he was probably napping to avoid jet lag. Couldn't be off his PR game in Africa ya know. Does anyone know if "Senior Political Advisor" is allowed access to such sensitive information? Current news reports always cite Rove as Deputy Chief of Staff, but that was not his position in Bush 41.1
If he lied to Fitzy, isn't that an impeachable offense, or at the least censure-able?
oops. meant to say 43.1. Lying was impeachable for Clinton, but you know we don't have the political will in either party to do it now.
Since his "election" was a lie, why should we believe anything else from little w?
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WHAT IF the point of impeaching Clinton was to take away the power of impeachment? I mean, they seem like incompetent boobs, sure, but isn't that a great way to cover up just how vile and heinous your real goals are? I think that you have to remember some of Dubbya's quotes...
"By the time it is all said and done I will have made more money than I ever could have dreamed." and "We will use ANY MEANS NECESSARY to achieve our objectives!"
I don't really think they are going to respond to all this the way we might hope. I think that they have some dangerous contingency plans and before we stock up for the hangin' party we might want to see what the nasty little evil-doers have up their sleeves. Of course Bush knew! It was probably his idea-- he is a master of playing dirty! Rove is his idea man, yes, but you know Clinton called Dubbya, in his book, the best politician in a politically savvy family of politicians. Not stupid, just drawn that way!
Well, it was widely reported in 2003 that Rove had made the comment that Wilson's wife was "fair game" to Chris Matthews *after* Novak's column ran.
In fact, Scott McLellan was asked about that on Oct 6 and Oct 8; George Bush was asked on Oct 7.
So, it may well be that Karl addmitted to having made phone calls after the column ran (probably legal), and getting himself dragged into the mud-slinging match.
Which made George angry, but was not a crime.
Tom Maguire
Tom,
I think your theory could explain the first part of DeFrank's story, about Bush being furious. But you still have to deal with the second part, where a "well-placed source" says that last week's stories about Bush being deceived by Rove were false. Of course, this is the Daily News. It could just be wrong. But I think that this Daily News story does, at least in some way, contradict last week's stories. I don't think they can be reconciled (at least in a way that is good for Bush).
Oh, this so has shades of Nixon's last days. The Bush administration has set itself up for a fall by being greedy and arrogant. All you have to do is read Duhbya's face. He knows, he knows. With a 39% approval rating and all the messes, smart Republicans, who are interested in being re-elected, are going to go with the pendulum swing. But, honestly, this scenario has me choking with laughter!! Oh and now I've just seen DeLay's mugshot. Smiling! What an arrogant ass! Flaunting his "greatness" against the law. It's easy to see why the comment, "No one is above the law", has become important. My question is, "Will others be smiling in theirs?"
It all looks pretty bad, (and rightfully so) for the bushies, but don't forget the atrocities his regime has already committed and gotten away with. Don't count the Fitzgerald investigation as a foregone conclusion, either. He may have been bought off. This is a definite wait-and-see, and frankly, I'm not optomistic.
Your assessment is correct. I don't know how you waded through all the lies, but it's obvious Bush lied, too. He was in on it. The good ol' boys cooked it up together and executed it. I'm sure they thought they were quite clever. Trouble is, all the different stories they've told are catching up with them, being place side by side and compared.
Since this doesn't have anything to do with oral or cigar sex or losing $62,000.00 in a land deal in Arkansas do you think we should be upset? Anyway if anyone's interested I'm going to Duncan Hunter's takeout for dinner tonight...I understand he has special going...two lemon chicken dinners for $15.95 and a free soda.
let's continue travelling back in time since before the tragic events of 9/11/2001 and the pdb's please! This regime, with a knack for stealing their way into the majority, and temporary control of all (3) branches of govt, must be brought down and cast out; and they will! It's been an extremely exhausting 5 years and reaching this point in 'time' has not been easy for the People of America nor for the World Community! It's time to finish this game called Tyranny! We have garnered all we can from this great lesson. Now is time for the unveiling of some major global announcement that are long overdue. Countless Trillions, new tools and technologies and a re-newed water planet? What could be better!
I read this on the Huffington blog: Here's how we end this with a minimum of national bloodshed - Cheney resigns, Chimp appoints his father to replace him, and then resigns himself. Bush senior, as president, appoints Bill Clinton as vice president.
It might work...
Peace.
But you still have to deal with the second part, where a "well-placed source" says that last week's stories about Bush being deceived by Rove were false. Of course, this is the Daily News. It could just be wrong.
The current story says this:
A second well-placed source said some recently published reports implying Rove had deceived Bush about his involvement in the Wilson counterattack were incorrect and were leaked by White House aides trying to protect the President.
"Bush did not feel misled so much by Karl and others as believing that they handled it in a ham-handed and bush-league way," the source said.
I am not inclined to over-think that - my impression last week was that these were "protect the President" leaks (My post was titled Rove Overboard").
As to Bush feeling "deceived", maybe not - Rove may have honestly believed that "I heard that, too" was not confirmation to Novak, and he may have forgotten his tip to Cooper.
Now, Bush should have felt "misled".
But I see these stories as back-pedalin g from a "protect the Pres" leak, rather than real helpful on the details of what Karl told Bush.
Tom Maguire
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